• ☭ Parabola ☭ @lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    Still gotta vote blue no matter who guys. Genocide Joe is the MOST PROGRESSIVE PRESIDENT OF OUR LIFETIME.

    What, these people are complicit in a genocide and shouldn’t be supported? You’re just giving your vote to Trump then!

    • glimse@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      Why speak the truth so sarcastically?

      The lesser of two evils is still evil but in our binary voting system, abstaining IS giving your vote to the greater evil. It’s the trolley problem and the default position of the lever is sending it at the worse outcome.

      But if not pulling the lever makes you sleep better at night, I’m sure all the additional people suffering will understand…

    • Squizzy@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      US politics suck so much that a zionist prick is the best candidate because the other is fascist simpleton.

      A real proud moment for America. Fits in well with the last however many decades.

  • oxjox@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    This is of course entirely accurate. If you’ve lost your mind and forgotten who Netanyahu is.

    But you haven’t because you say, “Biden refuses to use his leverage, even though he has admitted in an interview that it was “reasonable” to conclude that Netanyahu is prolonging the war for his own political benefit.”

    Joe Biden is an enabler but the US is not “the main obstacle to peace in Palestine”.

    • Old_Geezer@lemmy.mlOP
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      5 months ago

      Joe Biden is an enabler but the US is not “the main obstacle to peace in Palestine”

      OH? How about, the USA stopped supplying Israel with weapons? That would end this onslaught genocide immediately! That’s the main obstacle in my mind.

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        5 months ago

        Germany and to a lesser extent Italy were supplying a significant portion as well and it’s likely others would step up if they pulled out. Probably with worse prices and worse hardware, but we’re not at risk globally of running out of places to buy weapons. It’s horrible what is happening to Palestinian civilians in gaza, but in the end, the US armament supplies aren’t strictly required to enable Israel.

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        5 months ago

        I’m of the opinion that an individual with the explicit intent to commit genocide is the main obstacle, regardless of who is supporting them.

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          The difference between a sociopath and a murdering sociopath is the belief that they will lose nothing and even stand to gain from murder.

          Absolutelly, evil people are to blame from doing evil shit because they chose to do it.

          Other people who protect and support the evil people when they do the evil shit are also to blame because without their support and protection the evil people are a lot less likely to do the evil shit fearing the repercussions.

          In this specific instance, given that the US has been vetoing UN Security Council resolutions to stop Israel and is by far much more powerful than Israel in the World stage, the theory that they’re the “main obstacle to peace in Palestine” makes sense, or in other words, that the murdering sociopath would have to stop murdering due to fear of the consequences if the US stopped supporting it.

          Whilst it seems likely that it is, whether the US really is the “main obstable” or not is something that we would only know for sure after the US stopped supporting Israel.

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          Well, that would pretty much be the entire US Congress, and definitely the Israeli government, individually, if you like. They’ve all made some pretty outrageous public comments.

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      5 months ago

      One is a country, one is an individual, to say that any individual is more important to the war than the United States is the literal definition of Great Man Theory (i.e. childish nonsense).

      This is without getting into other considerations like how Netanyahu is a scapegoat for faux-progressives who want to deflect away from how this genocide has enthusiastic support from many powerful institutions within Israel. It is an Israeli project much more than Netanyahu’s personal project.

      P.S. Assassinating Putin wouldn’t end the war in Ukraine either (nor would assassinating Zelensky or Biden)

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      5 months ago

      Without US enabling Israel they wouldn’t be able to wage war on Gaza and Netanyahu wouldn’t be able to stay in power.

      Therefore, the US is still the main obstacle.

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      5 months ago

      Today, Biden could:

      • End all U.S. military support for Israel
      • Veto any bill that contains one cent of funding for Israel
      • Publically call a genocide a genocide
      • Direct U.S. agencies to cancel contracts with companies that work with Israel, citing existing U.S. human rights laws
      • Join the ICJ case against Israel
      • Arrest Netanyahu’s son Yair, who’s just chilling in Miami
      • Direct the National Guard to protect anti-genocide protesters
      • Clean house at the State Department and other NatSec agencies to fire the people who have supported this genocide most vociferously
      • Use the vast overseas surveillance power of the U.S. to document Israeli atrocities

      How quickly would this stop?

      And that’s not even considering options like a decapitation strike on the Israeli government, which should absolutely be on the table to stop a genocide.

    • acargitz@lemmy.ca
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      5 months ago

      Getting rid of Netanyahu is not going to bring peace. Israeli intransigence is structural, it is literally built as an apartheid system.

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        5 months ago

        “Israeli structural intransigence” is also not “the United States.”

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      5 months ago

      Israel’s need for some type of displacement/genocide to exist predates the current prime minister. Remove him, and nothing changes.

  • UnpluggedFridge@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    This article conveniently omits Israel-Palestine relations prior to and during periods of minimal US meddling. Let’s take a look at the prelude to the current conflict to get our bearings.

    Obama made statements early on in his presidency about lasting peace in the Middle East. His first meeting with Netanyahu was a disaster, and so he dropped the issue for his entire term. 8 years of pretty much ignoring the Palestinians. Trump enters office and likewise makes public statements supporting lasting peace. His meetings with Netanyahu were a great success…for Israel specifically. The US changed policy to state that illegal Israeli settlements were legal, it recognized Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel with Israel as the sole owner of the city, and it began to normalize relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel. All of this was a big kick in the pants to Palestine, who were never consulted for any of these policy changes.

    Biden entered office and continued to push for normalization of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia, but let’s be honest, he had a similar do-nothing attitude as Obama had when it comes to lasting peace.

    Then Hamas attacks Israel. The US hadn’t engaged them for over a decade and Arab nations were starting to normalize relations with Israel with no regard for Palestine. It is hard to imagine what else Hamas could have done to get the attention of the US and Arab nations.

    And that brings us to the present, where Israel’s retaliation has once again captured the attention of the US and Arab nations and put the needs of the Palestinians in the minds of their leaders.

    In my opinion, if we had meddled more during peace time and engaged with Palestinians in the absence of conflict, then we could have avoided the current war altogether. The current conflict appears to be the result of the absence of US meddling, or at the very least an unwillingness to recognize the needs of Palestinians during times of relative peace.

  • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
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    5 months ago

    Wait.

    The USA that supports and has supported a 2 state solution is the problem, over Israel the aggressor who doesn’t?

    Got it.

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        5 months ago

        Yes and I even know what it means.

        I’ve also been conscious for the past 4 decades and can see the difference between an enabler acting in their own self interests and the enabled who ultimately is responsible for their actions.

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          US self-interest in the region would involve greater investment in Saudi Arabia at the cost of Israel.

          The best interests of world peace would involve brokering deals between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

          Israel is an outsized power in the region solely because of US support and funding. The solution to that is simple.

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      5 months ago

      If the us supported the two state solution, they wouldn’t have vetoed Palestine’s UN membership.

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      5 months ago

      The USA that supports and has supported a 2 state solution

      Do you actually believe the USA? Their actions don’t support their words, IMHO. “Proof is in the pudding”.