I was thinking about using graphene OS, but I’ve read some lemmy users dislike this OS due to perceived misleading advertising and the pixel 7a you’re supposed to install graphene on because it’s from google (an advertising company).
Another option would be lineage OS, but there is so much false information about this OS, namely compatible phones that simply don’t work with this OS and no support.
what works for you? I want a phone with no google, that doesn’t force me to use the manufacturer’s ecosystem and that won’t show the apps I don’t want or need (on an asus I own you cannot neither get rid nor hide bloatware)
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GrapheneOS is nearly the worst custom ROM you could use to achieve privacy, and Google Pixels the worst phones you could use to get away from Google.
GrapheneOS officially supports and encourages the use of Google Play Services and a Google account for “security” purposes. Their “unofficial” members also spread propaganda advocating for the same.
https://i.imgur.com/bUdVCpH.jpg
They are also an embargo partner with Google for security patches, and add features that may threaten the lives of privacy users, or end up in jail or death in certain circumstances.
There are a lot of GrapheneOS astroturfers in this thread. They are not organic fans.
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Graphene OS is about security, not privacy yeah?
Please read the paper by Ken Thompson, co-creator of Unix and C, on why we should be able to trust the developer and NOT the code. https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf
Trusting unstable people and projects like GrapheneOS is a massive risk. Micay has lied more times than anyone in the history of privacy community, as far as “prominent” people go.
I’ve never tried it out but I want to install nethunter if I had a chance because it can run terminal emulators
Stock AOSP shipped on Pixel.
I use Calyx on a Fairphone 4. It’s not totally degooglified, since it comes with MicroG which is used to connect to Google services. I use Aurora Store and a couple of original Google Apps like Gboard too (none of my Google apps can access the internet, since they’re behind the built-in firewall). It works well except call functionality which can be wonky and there’s the issue that a lot of apps from Play don’t work well with MicroG. I only use a small selection of Play apps though, so it doesn’t bother me too much.
What about banking appss?
I never bothered with banking apps. (Outside of the virtual debit card app from my bank. That one did install successfully. However, I never got try out in store because it deleted my virtual card after a few days and I didn’t care enough to set it up again.)
I was about to answer this, but decided I didn’t want that information in public.
However, the bank I use, which is a largish one, has an app that I’ve installed with the aurora store without microg or google play services on divestos and it complains that it won’t work without gsf, but it works fine after clicking ok.
Depends on the bank’s app. I have CRDroid (LineageOS fork I think) and my local bank apps have either full support or no support for biometrics (everything else works).
This is what stops me from leaping to phone Foss.
My banking apps work fine on Calyx.
Banking apps normally check for rooted phones as the thing they don’t like. Because pixels come with an unlocked bootloader, you don’t need to root the phone to install a custom ROM, and so banking apps are still okay.
Calyx comes with microg right?
No OS is perfect, as you likely do have to use a proprietary modem and some proprietary apps, but CalyxOS works well for me on my Fairphone 4. I like the base install being as free as realistically possible on a modern Android phone, especially replacing Google apps with microG. Just don’t enable SafetyNet if you don’t want it to run (sandboxed) Google blobs. That API is deprecated anyways.
The experience is smooth, free and I get a repairable phone without having generative “”“AI”“” shoved down my throat. A win on all fronts in my opinion.
I’m currently running GrapheneOS on a Pixel 8 Pro. I use the provided sandboxed google services because of some apps (banking, etc). I use F-Droid for most of my needs. I don’t understand what you mean by misleading advertising.
Not sure why GrapheneOS is getting down voted so much here, did I miss something recent that happened?
I’ve been using GrapheneOS on my Pixel 6a for around 2 years and really like it.
If I couldn’t use GOS though, I would probably go with DivestOS. I haven’t looked deep into other alternative Android ROMs.
I use phones that are at least 5 year old and cost 100€ max. Graphene supports only new pixel phones, so I never got to use it. I put LineageOS with MicroG on every phone and I’m super happy with it.
Fair point, Pixels aren’t flagship expensive, but they definitely aren’t cheap either.
The reason why GrapheneOS is hated here is because one single user who spreads constantly misinfo about the project.
I use proprietary AOSP because I require online banking :(
Couldn’t you use the website?
Not in my ideal spot but tolerating Android via LineageOS for microG on a Sony Xperia 5 III as their ROMs make microG painless & hardware-wise I get a fast-enough CPU, OLED, a headphone jack, & microSD.
I used to do that then I discovered that I didn’t need MicroG
Oh? I’ve been completely off Google services and apps for a decade but I still find that MicroG is nice to have for spoofing a few apps that checks for GSF to run. I’m curious how you managed to disentangle yourself to the point of not even needing MicroG.
I wish the modern xperia phones were more popular and got more love. Hardware-wise they are amazing, i just wish they had easily-replaceable batteries.
I just replaced the battery in mine. I had to get a heat gun to take off the back plate, as well as a new seal for the back plate. I’m not 100% convinced it is still water resistant, and I don’t plan on finding out.
The hardware is good & you can get phones under 6".
They have 2 big flaws: price & years of continued support. The catch 22 is you can get a good price on them after the support window (2 years, but looks like 5 will be going forward). Luckily LineageOS always picks up after the support window if willing to take on possible firmware vulnerabilities knowing software will continue to be updated—but the camera requires the proprietary apps/libs or it looks low-end.
Can you elaborate on being misled there?
As for google devices - yes, there’s irony in the notion that the most de-googleable phones are theirs, sure. They’re often sold at a loss around the holiday season, though.
Been using /e/OS on a OnePlus 6T for the last ~2 years and love it. The built-in ad tracker blocker works well. GoS works for the best part and if it doesnt, heading over to the website usually works.
I’m fairly happy with LineageOS myself
but there is so much false information about this OS, namely compatible phones that simply don’t work with this OS and no support.
I think you’re overreacting a bit calling it “false information”. LOS is a FLOSS project that many individuals have ported to their device — and either at some point they buy a new phone and drop that development, or they realise what a massive project it is to maintain it. That’s just a general bummer with open source, especially when people volunteer their free time.
I mean, the website has officially supported devices. If you are running an unofficial rom made by some random on a forum, that’s on you.
Same argument stands though. It’s not like LOS is a company with a ton of venture capital. Maintainers are the same randos from the same forums, they just banded together under a common flag. Some of the “official” LOS devs even release unofficial prereleases on other sites. And sometimes support drops because the maintainers may or may not have the physical device to test on.
If you are running an unofficial rom made by some random on a forum, that’s on you.
LOL you haven’t lived until you flashed a weird ROM off XDA-dev to realise it was developed for some regional variation of your device, the UI is all in a language you don’t read, and the developer customised the OS to their own niche use case that you’re not partial to.
Mind, it used to be easier to casually flash ROMs (for me at least) back in the Jellybean/KitKat days. Fun times!
The official releases have standards, moron. That’s why an unofficial will go official when it meets the specific criteria. Unofficial releases have no standards. Official releases have been tested and known to fully work and meet minimum criteria… hmm… what an interesting concept! It’s almost like they make it very easy to know if it fully supports your device by going to their website where they list OFFICIAL releases. Lmao…
I’ve used LineageOS in the past, and have nothing to complain about it, but realistically I only root and change the OS of my phones after warranty is over and I could potentially lose it without being a problem.
Graphene OS users, what options are available for backing up your phone? I tried looking for an answer but wasn’t able to find anything recent on this topic.
I want to try it but this is the one thing holding me back.
Syncthing is my answer though I appreciate it doesn’t get to the root of your question.
There are local backups that include your system settings, text messages, contacts, call history and (optionally) apps. The one thing I want is the ability to pick a directory for the local backup so I can make it work with syncthing without jumping through hoops.
It’s also compatible with Nextcloud and WebDAV if those are options for you.
I just use nextcloud as a target for backups (Aegis, Signal, QkSMS). Apps such as KeePassDX I have load the file via nextcloud. My contacts and calendar go through it as well, photos are just set to auto upload along with a few other directories.
As for the home screen layouts, I just take screenshots once I have it how I like and try to remember to take them again if I change stuff.
It’s not a full backup but I’m back up and running fairly quickly (Pixel 5A died on me 3 times in under a one year lifespan per device).
I use LineageOS because my phone is not a Pixel and it works fine for me. If you don’t want to pay Google for a Pixel, buy a used one. Other than that LOS is fine. It doesn’t have anonymization features like /e/OS or something like that but it doesn’t force nor promote any apps or ecosystems (except for Seedvault but it’s not a big deal) and it is FOSS
I have a Pixel and LineageOS is the best by far. Freedom to root, which I absolutely want… I want full control over my devices. I’m extremely picky about how every little thing runs and works in my phone and I can only get it with root. You can’t get root with GraphenOS without a huge pain in the ass with updates.
It’s hilarious people install GrapheneOS and think they are better off because Google services are installed as user apps instead of system. You lose as soon as you install them either way. They are getting the data they are after no matter if it’s installed as a user app or system app.
But anyway, I’ve been running LineagOS since it used to be Cynogenmod over 10 years ago. It’s the most established and reliable while remaining open to customization by far.
Unfortunately 90% of privacy-conscious people can’t live without Google services because Google Meet, banking apps and other Play Integrity needing stuff
That’s literally what MicroG is for, though. Spoof the Play store and GSF, no data in or out. I think a good part of that “90%” you mention knows about that solution?
But that’s what GrapheneOS uses afaik. The person I replied to said that LineageOS (a fully vanilla ROM) with root (which breaks banking apps) is a better solution. I agree but I added that the mentioned solution is really not for most people.
I don’t imagine that many privacy-conscious people are using Google Meet!
Trust me a lot of them do if it’s a requirement in their school or at work
Surely you wouldn’t have to use it on your phone then, just on a desktop browser?
What?
Why would school or work require you to specifically use Google meet on the phone app? Surely you’d use a school computer or your work-provided laptop, never needing to have play services on your personal device.
