With the recent WWDC apple made some bold claims about privacy when it comes to so called Apple Intelligence. This makes me wonder if they did something to what Microsoft did with Recall feature, people would be less concerned and to an extend praise their effort?
Do you trust apple with their claims?
They already did, Spotlight is Machiavelli behind the “walled garden”
If a bunch of security experts came out in the wake of the feature’s announcement talking about how much of a disaster it is, I hope they would.
Everyone suckles Apple’s dick. Friends of mine were talking as if Microsoft has ended security and privacy, but are lapping up the Apple Intelligence crap
I found it really weird too, Microsoft pushing Recall, an AI feature, vs Apple pushing Apple Intelligence, an AI feature… and only Microsoft got backfired.
Recall was set to be default on for everybody and to record everything in a database which is trivial to extract data from.
There’s a lot of nonsense Apple is doing too (like the chatgpt integration) but they didn’t put keylogger into the system.
One records your every moment and was instantly exploited to get every piece of data you ever saw and the other does things when you ask it too and asks you before sending data off device. These are clearly exactly the same thing.
Hmm didn’t know iCloud was on device…
iCloud is a data backup system, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand
I guess I thought it was the primary data storage dump. My point is that your data is already sent before you had a choice.
I think the people who already really like Apple would be okay with it and find a million reasons to justify it. I don’t think that’s a good thing.
Yes. Their privacy policy is very clear. They’ve put so much effort into providing privacy features, well before every other developer in the industry, that they’ve built their customer base on it. The class action suit that they would face for compromising that policy would be massive, and they would hemorrhage customers. They have strong financial reason to maintain their word. If you ask for your GDPR compliant abstract from Apple, it’ll only include your name, phone number, and billing address.
From a security standpoint, the privacy features are top notch. They use 256-bit AES encryption for iCloud, iMessage, FaceTime, Apple Wallet, Find My iPhone, HomeKit, FileVault, Secure Enclave, and now Apple Intelligence. Apple operating systems use a UNIX kernel design, keeping the application layer independent of the operating system layer, allowing full sandbox control and requiring user authorization for any API access.
Plus, nerds love to try and find chinks in the armor. In the event of the inevitable vulnerability, Apple is always quick to release a patch.
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You clearly don’t know many Apple users.
Hi! I know many Apple users, and 100% of them bought it because “bro, it’s Apple”. It’s basically the “im not poor” message that the Apple logo gives. They don’t care about anything else aside that it’s Apple and it plays CandyCrush.
Sounds like you know a bunch of rich kids with iPhones. Recall is a Windows feature. I assume OP was asking about Mac users. The majority of Mac users are creators, who care very much about the privacy of their work.
Do I trust them? Sure, I guess, when it comes to privacy from other entities.
Do I trust that I will have privacy from them? Hell no.
Do I trust them with the data they’re absolutely gathering? No, but I don’t trust anyone with it. But I also think that data would be relatively safer with Apple than their competitors.
If Apple announced Recall? Apple wouldn’t announce Recall, that’s the whole point. Apple wouldn’t be so brazen and stupid to implement a tool that is so obviously invasive and so poorly implemented. Apple earned its trust by not making those mistakes.
But if they did decide to say fuck it, and implement something like Recall, of course people would trust them. That’s what trust means: consumers take them at their word. But if it’s as bad as Microsoft’s Recall, Apple would burn all that trust when people found out.
People don’t believe Microsoft because they have long since burned any trust and good will for most of their consumers. They have proven time and time again they don’t give a shit about users wants or needs, and users have felt that. So when they announce Recall, they have no earned trust. No believes them. And it turns out everyone was right to.
Do I trust them? Sure, I guess, when it comes to privacy from other entities.
Do they not send everything directly to ChatGPT? Like, that logic is not broken with that for the Apple users?
They don’t, actually. Most of AI stuff is processed on device, few go to their private infrastructure, and only certain Siri requests go to ChatGPT, if you give explicit permission.
That’s cool, at least. I’ve never used Siri and never will, but maybe I’ll mess around with their AI if it’s fully on-device.
Based on their claims Siri also works primarily on-device. It wasn’t entirely clear if you can manually prevent the usage of their AI infrastructure, but they definitely implied it. So if that’s true, there’s no real reason to avoid just Siri while still using other AI stuff, cause they are one and the same. And since it runs locally, they can’t even store the voice clips.
I do also trust that Siri is all on-device! Otherwise it would work as well as its competitors hahaha. I just hate voice commands, and will never use them. I want to use my hands for operating devices.
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t on-device before. At least not all the time. But I have some good news for you, they added the ability to type your requests to Siri 😆
And to be fair, some certain things are definitely faster by voice than doing manually, like setting a timer and stuff. It’s just daunting when the assistant misunderstands you or takes ages to respond. If they fixed all that, it could actually be useful.
creates privacy through taking power from the user.
What do you mean by that?
I’m pretty sure they mean how Apple won’t let you install 3rd party apps and stuff, under the guise of pRiVAcY.
So you use Android? Or Huawei?
Surely not.
Probably an Android phone that has been degoogled or installed with another OS, is my guess.
Bruh what even is this comment? Huawei makes sense, but what’s your deal with android? The whole point of android is that it’s customizable, if you want privacy there are more than enough options.
Can you elaborate on how Huawei makes sense? Or did you fall for US government propaganda? Have they provided any hard evidence in 5-6 years?
I use GrapheneOS. What’s it to you?
This is always an interesting statement “i can check for my self” i know for sure that most users never checked a single line of code in the open source projects. Maybe you do but 95% do not and make this statement.
The 95% who don’t trust the 5% who do. If there is a backdoor in open source projects it gets known very quickly.
Apart from that, open source projects usually are not for profit, they have no reason to add random unneeded data collection features for example.
Apple now has encrypted iCloud backups so they can’t see what you backup to them. GrapheneOS is obviously better but for an off the shelf OS ios ain’t bad.
They have full control over your device. It’s the same for Whatsapps encryption, where Facebook can still access everything on your decrypted client.
Pretty sure it’s not the same at all but keep saying things brother
apple fanboys. yes. the take it or leave it apple types would likely have a decent exodus. non apple users would not like but would not matter.
Apple’s PR is better. With Microsoft all news titles were like “OMG Windows will take screenshots of all you do and send it to AI”, and with Apple it’s more like “Apple is carefully adding AI to their products, respecting user privacy as they always have been”.
Of course, when one looks into technical details they would find that MS Recall is strictly local and runs only on special hardware that people don’t even have yet.
Apple Intelligence does send your data to cloud and scans everything you have in Apple ecosystem, not just screenshots. Of course they say it’s done in very privacy respecting ways, and provide a lot of technical information to back this claim. But at the end it’s closed source and is subject to change at any time.
Having said that, Apple users are used to and value that Apple magically takes care of everything, so they are happy to pay premium for Apple’s products whatever the company does.
As far as we know, apple’s system does not take screenshots automatically, storing them unencrypted, likely revealing secrets to other programs.
Recall doesn’t either… it’s encrypted with Windows Hello Auth
But once a process is running its trivial to get weeks of extremely detailed history and lots of secrets you thought were ephemeral
Makes a lot of sense until the closed source affirmation. The source code of the OS they develop is closed source, but a lot of what they do is open source and independantly audited by experts, so there’s that in the balance.
Windows is just a pile of trash.
What that Apple does is Open Source? This is the first time I’ve read this.
Swift, Webkit, Researchkit, Carekit, FoundationDB, CUPS, Darwin, LLVM and Clang, SwiftNIO, Turi Create, Homekit ADK,
Its one thing to be against a product but its essential to be well informed and not base our perceptions on biased informations.
I’m not familiar with all of them, but I know several of them are tools. Isn’t it in apple’s best interest to open source the tools if people use and improve them, and subsequently it means they get more money from the app store? And if these are the only things they open source, they still have a tight fist on the vast majority of their code base.
While on the subject of apple and FOSS. They may open source some tools, but do they give back to other projects? I.e. does apple push upstream? Substantially less than google and ms. And I would go so far to say almost never.
Yup, that’s why I asked. I still hate Crapple and everything they stand for, but this is good data to start doing some in-depth research. Thanks.
Damn hating a product. You are damaged man.
Who says I am a man? Just kidding, I am. I do hate Apple, Google, Microsoft, Meta and every other company out there that operate business on a predatory model. Am I damaged? Absolutely, at so many levels it’s hard to count them. But that makes me just human, as you will find there is not 1 single human out there that is not damaged at some or other. On the brighter side, I am doing what I can to heal.
Darwin. Their BSD and the foundation of MacOS and therefore all the current OSes they produce.
I have heard of Darwin, and went back to read up on it to refresh my memory. While it is considered open source, it is also useless unless it is used for Apple’s closed source operating systems, as can be appreciated in this explanation:
In the beginning, Apple used to make Darwin available as a separate OS, including compiled binaries, installers, ISOs, etc. that you could install on Apple hardware. However, for many years now, Apple only provides a source code dump, every time a new release of macOS comes out. It isn’t even possible to compile this source code, because it depends on Apple’s internal build tools and build pipeline. There have been some projects trying to patch Darwin to compile it with publicly available tools, but those projects have all died from lack of interest.
Open Source should be compilable and able to be used, at least that’s my perspective, and I just may be wrong.
Here’s the article this came from on StackExchange:
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/401832/why-is-macos-often-referred-to-as-darwin
Yeah, but that’s just the kernel. Anything above that (window manager, the utilities that they didn’t outright copy from BSD, apps, …) is basically closed source.
Yes
I’m sure we wouldn’t stop hearing about how it was the right decision even if we weren’t having a conversation about it.
Nope, but I also feel like Apple would have it off by default, unlike Microsoft.
Apple at least tries to explain what is happening, and while not always great, you feel you understand why they are doing something or implementing new functionality unlike Windows who just dumps this shit on you without your consent and then you have to learn 5 years later that they put absolutely no thought in why they were doing, especially thinking about your privacy. Anyway, I use Arch, btw. /s
Could they please explain why a laptop should not be able to scale content on third party monitors without lowering resolution? Why it shouldn’t be able to connect to more than one monitor? Why we can’t have a toggle for (insert random unneeded feature here, like only minimizing programs when clicking on the red x button that should close them). Why their tablets and phones aren’t able to send things via Bluetooth? Etc.
You got me at trust
