• db2@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Bitcoin doesn’t move like the stock market. There’s no hedge funds to call to naked short a nonexistent Bitcoin Inc in to the dirt. This means nothing.

    That said I’d live bitcoin to go to a penny. I’d buy and hodl. I’d buy and hodl hard.

    That said, fuck Trump. But not literally because his lineage should be pruned.

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      5 months ago

      Bitcoin has been moving like the stock market since 2020. Big investors got involved, small investors lost trust in stocks. I don’t fully expect the current halving to cause the rally like all the other times it halved. That is assuming it doesn’t keep bombing shortly after breaking $69,420, what I suspect is a meme sell limit price.

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      5 months ago

      Monero is what Bitcoiners thought they bought. It’s completely fungible and private just as cash is supposed to be.

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        5 months ago

        Monero is great. Only crypto currency I actually use. Transactions are also waaay cheaper and faster than with Bitcoin.

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            It’s also the one being targeted by governments, who are trying harder and harder to track consumer spending.

            Even if you don’t like crypto generally, consider using Monero as a middle finger to governments. Don’t hold any long term, just make a few purchases here and there.

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              I think it’s worth using long-term. If they are targeting it so hard, that must mean that it actually works. Because otherwise, why would they be going after it so damn hard?

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                5 months ago

                Exactly. I don’t think they can track transactions, so the next best thing is to make it illegal. If more people use it for regular transactions, it’s even harder for them to ban.

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                  Problem is, is that they can’t even really truly make it illegal. As long as any cryptocurrency is legal, no matter what it is, you can always buy Monero, either with it or by exchanging it for Bitcoin or Litecoin and then exchanging that for Monero. Also, the decentralized exchange, Haveno launched a month ago today and there is no way to shut it down. It’s a peer to peer decentralized exchange all done over the tor network. Good luck without killing the internet entirely.

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                    5 months ago

                    Yup, but they can make it really inconvenient, to the point where law-abiding citizens will likely just give up.

                    I haven’t and don’t intend to buy anything illegal, I just don’t want the government tracking everything I buy. But there are limits to what I’ll put up with, so hopefully enough people like me will transact in Monero so the government locking things down will tick off enough people to discourage them from doing so.

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          Monero uses RandomX which must be done only on CPU which limits power consumption drastically and promotes decentralization rather than mining farms like bitcoin. Both of those combined will make it much easier for utilities to handle it. Since one utility won’t be getting hit with extreme load from mining farms all in one single area, such as Texas. You’ve also got to consider how much electricity does the banking industry as a whole use for building their buildings, bringing employees to work, shuttling money around in armored trucks, all that stuff. There’s probably tons I’m not even thinking of. Proof of work is better than proof of stake simply because a governmyth can’t print more of their crap fiat currency and buy up more stake in order to hurt the network. If a government wants to attack Ethereum, they just print more fiat currency and buy Ethereum. If they want to attack Bitcoin or Monero, they have to buy the equipment to do so and then plug it in and use power. They would have to sacrifice something real in order to do that.

          Edit: https://www.coindesk.com/opinion/2024/06/13/bitcoin-mining-stabilizes-power-grids-strained-by-ai-data-centers/

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      5 months ago

      Tin-foil hat time but I’d be willing to bet they have mechanisms to do something resembling naked shorting with crypto. I have no idea what that voodoo might be, but they conjure shares out of thin air for shorting stocks, and they’ve managed to package crypto into ETFs some-fucking-how so why not. I feel like I’m increasingly noticing that nothing really seems to crash anymore.