Welp, Windows 11 is going to make me quit my sysadmin job of 15+ years, after all. I already refuse to use it at home but have no options at work. Bet dollars to donuts this was some sort of vibe coder AI fuck up we’ll never be able to confirm.
And the worst part is even if it succeeds you’re still running Windows.
Even though switching my laptop to Linux was a bit of a pain, especially for other family members, i didn’t regret it at all before. This just makes it even more reassuring as the right move.
Even the programs I had that rely on windoze I just run in wine or in a small vm.
If you can switch, do it!
You guys still run Windows?!
You’d get more downvotes but their SSDs are all corrupted
In the article from yesterday, this was reported by one guy in Japan
I don’t understand. writing large amount of data at once breaks nand controller? and how that’s an os issue?
My assumption was it had something to do with the drivers for the controller, and the update flooding it faster than it could take data and not caching everything it couldn’t cram into controller DRAM, causing parts to just get dropped wholesale.
modern ssds have on board firmware that executes actual nvme (or sata) commands. so it’s possible a bad dma driver can coincide with a firmware bug to result in unexpected behaviour.
Maybe has something to do with making assumptions about how the nand controller is going to allocate things across superpages but that is a stupid random guess and also I have no idea why it’s an OS issue but boy do they keep finding ways
os updates write large amount of data to disk at once. especially a highly bloated os like modern windows. whatever the trigger, it’s still faulty nand controller. you can very well cooy a 20G file and see disk is corrupted.
That’s a good point on how the OS could be “causing” it. I don’t think my take was very likely after I thought about it for a while.
God damn, after ~20 years of being off Windows reading about problem after problem on each and every update is exhausting.
How do you all (Windows users) deal with this shit?
Crying, sniffling, more crying, over eating, crying some more, and existential dread. Then I go to work and pretend it will just magical go away, become delusional, go home, and start the process all over again.
I might need therapy.
Same way as I do on Linux. There was a post a few weeks back about an Arch update breaking vlc if you don’t manually install a new optional dependency after an update split the package.
Arch has always broke. Arch will always break.
Whatever doesn’t break makes us stronger (at using the Archwiki)
I’ve never had an issue of this gravity on Windows. I use Linux and it has its issues as well. Stability is not why I use Linux lmao
The amazing thing about Linux is there are distros for any purpose. If you want stability there are distros focused on that. Yeah, the popular ones are often bleeding edge, or near bleeding edge, but you don’t have to use one that’s using the latest updates.
You use the wrong linux then.
No, they all have their issues. That is the very definition of linux.
I usually restart my gentoo machines when I move or once every couple of years when I update them. Debian stable is pretty similar.
In what way? The most stable Linux is far better than what Microsoft could yank out of their AI asses. Debian and Red Hat has been the staple of many servers around the globe. Hell, this Lemmy instance might be on one of those.
It’s only when you tinker around too hard and fast then you have problems in Linux. But there are ways to get things back on track easily compared to Windows.
Perhaps not stability, but certainly the ability to understand a problem and fix things is why I use Linux. On Windows or MacOS you just get “Oops, something unexpected happened”, or if youre lucky “Error -2847”.
On linux you can read the journalctl or have a poke in /var/log/ and actually find an answer that’s more helpful than “reinstall the operating system / program”
as far as I know, Debian is the “gold standard” for stable linux to the point of being one of the most famous distros used on servers as well.
Exceptions are using unstable/testing versions of debian or accounting for an windows program to just work perfectly under wine (but that is a microsoft-linux integration which MS almost always wants to not happen)
Stability is why I use an atomic distro
bashing the executable
three instances of Battlefield 6 load up
“ss-seethe, linux-turds!!”
gpu explodes from poor driver implementation
browser renames itself
Most people don’t have this issue. You are only reading about the less than 1%. Per usual, everything posted her is overblown and the linux trolls feed on it.
Wait 3 weeks before applying updates and let other people be the guinea pigs. It’s usually enough time for things like this to be caught and withdrawn by MS.
I delayed the 24h2 update as long as Windows physically let me which was like a month or two I think? After that delay ended my only option was to download cause it was popping up in an intrusive way every single hour… God I hate windows so much.
Because I haven’t had these issues in 20+ years? 🤡
Haven’t updated to windows 11 yet and probably won’t. Just gonna wait until I can afford a new PC then learn how to install Linux
There’s nothing to learn. Mint and Fedora were click click done.
Ya I’ve heard this before! I’ve also heard there is still a lot of problem solving to learn for maintenance and some problems that often arise. But haven’t taken the time yet to familiarize myself with it.
By not using newest microsoft stuff. I’m always few years late to their next windows.
This is the first Windows update that has significantly altered how my daily driver laptop works (read: for the worse).
It’s too inconvenient to use a Windows computer anymore. I’m switching to Linux
Is this 100% an OS issue, or a hardware issue just being made apparent by the OS doing something weird?
Most likely an hardware issue, ZFS has seen similar types of corruption with certain drives under normal operation.
That makes sense.
While windows doing a bunch of IO is silly and probably could be more efficient, it sounds like the blame is the SSD controllers crapping out when asked to do exactly what they advertise they are supposed to do (high throughput IO).
I’ve never seen my NVME go above 10% usage, so I’m not worried about it.
Oh look a whole new reason to avoid windows 11.
This Post was the final straw for me. Just spent the afternoon setting up Linux Mint Mate and it’s working well so far!
I so much want to, but the programs I run are partly windows only. I don’t know how to switch yet. Next to that, I tried Linux once but was unable to reach netwerk drives from my NAS. I tried everything, none of the solutions I found actually worked. I seem to have a curse running into issues no one else had. Struggling my whole life with that. Today I spent the entire day fixing Kodi, which suddenly stopped working. None of the solutions on internet worked. I managed to fix it my own way, eventually. Just to play a video without losing my “videos watched”.
MS is working hard to force me though. I’m almost as far as to say goodbye to apps I’ve used my whole life. Like Directory Opus for example.
Yeah, at some point ‘cabt on linux’ becomes synonymous with ‘cant’
Have you tried some of the dual panel file managers that run on Linux? What Directory Opus has that is not in other FM?
I used total commander when I was young, but I like the folder tree view and the massive amount of options to personalize it to my needs. Also the flawless network drive and ftp compatibility, tabs, it’s own file transfer system and mass file renaming function. Haven’t found something similar yet (but maybe didn’t search well enough). Oh and color options, so my screens are all dark view exactly the way I want it.
Have you tried Dolphin?
Yeah I remember when Linux Update did this . . . oh wait, no I don’t.
I think I do but I’m not sure. I seem to remember some years back when a kernel version was released and due to a bug on either a driver or a filesystem, as soon as you started writing it would override the partition table or something like that
May have been this one
https://www.theregister.com/2017/11/22/linux_4_14_bcache_bug_destroys_data/
windows quality has seemingly took a nosedive after 7 and never recovered. glad to have left.
If windows 7 was still supported it would be my go to for the rare “I need windows” moments. Windows 11 seems sluggish to me
windows 11 is just ridiculous. it’s slow even on state of the art computers, takes 6-8gb of ram just to idle on the damn desktop.
I got my father onto Linux a while ago and the first thing he commented on was how snappy the whole system was
Same thing for one of my grandparents.
It would be fun if your next “I need Windows” OS was ReactOS and have less problems than using Windows.
I thought 10 was fine too, didn’t like the new menu bullshit though. I use Arch by the way.
10 was the last windows version i dailied on my personal machine. the whole forced update fiasco had made me lose work, and was the writing on the wall for shitty things that came after.
Again, why are people paying money for this bullshit?
This is just normal and on par for Microsoft. When was the last time they didn’t fix a security issue because they didn’t wanted the bad publicity, causing the US government to be hacked?
Oohh, we will never do it again, pinky promise!
Microsoft’s evil but oh my fucking god, they’re so incompetent that they can’t even be evil without fucking shit up
Install Linux already,.be done with the nonsense
Every thread has one Linux bro, stumbling around dazed and confused, still searching to understand why people use a different OS. Always asking “Why do people even use that?” Ignorant of the litany of reasons the real world behaves the way it does.
Windows sucks, in a lot of ways, we get it. But holy hell find a different schrick.
I understand why people use different operating systems. Ill judge you for mac os but i kinda get it. I think slackware or something works for some use cases.
Windows is just ijsane though. You’re insane for using it.
Just the one? You block the rest of us already?
There’s a lot more than one of us here, “bro”
Edit: Windows is trash. Fuck Microsoft.
Please hit my work computer plz plz plz
Just update, find a script to repeatedly write a 50gb file filled with garbage, and pray it kills your drive.
I know this is mostly a joke but most corporate security monitor the running scripts
Well, do it manually then! Without internet, you can’t send any tracking to the corporate, and without a working drive the data will be unreadable after you are done ;)
