• myster0n@feddit.nl
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    4 days ago

    If trump was presented with a map to the end of the world, he’d say “I know a shortcut”. And he’d be right.

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    4 days ago

    Lol we have ways out backed by science already, but the problem always will be humans. When we’re gone the planet will recover.

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      13 hours ago

      no it wont, not really, hypothetically lets say every human on the planet disappeared, how would that happen? lets assume a global nuclear exchange, every major population center or military base is now destroyed, the ash, dust, and smoke from the explosions would blanket the upper atmosphere with clouds of particulates so thick it would block out almost all sunlight, the planet would enter a decades long global winter that would wipe out all plant life along with anything that would rely on sunlight in any way, after the clouds clear we would be left with bacteria and maybe some deep sea life then life would begin to take back the planet maybe even another intelligent civilization, one catch though, humans have already used most of earths easily accessible materiel, metals would degrade or rust, all of the oil we extract today would have been impossible to extract 100 years ago so no more plastics, and the real endgame, in about five billion years the sun will expand and destroy the earth along with all of the known life in the universe.

      the way i see it, right now humans are the only hope for life on earth (from a long term perspective) instead of all terran life dying with our planet, wouldn’t it be better if our biosphere inherited all of those lifeless worlds around other stars, wouldn’t it be better if we could outlive the mortality of our world?

      the argument that all humans should die for the betterment of nature is flawed and unethical in practice, and it makes me sad that so many people think it would be better to die than to face our own mess.

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        11 hours ago

        Humans could die out from disease leaving most things intact? ELE have decimated the earth before and it rebounded in time. The “valuable” stuff comment gets me the most. Even with you trying to be positive you fallback on capitalism’s definition of value. You also have a lot of pride in being human which boggles my mind. Enjoy your optimism.

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          6 hours ago

          first, there is no ethical way all of the humans on the planet can die, there’s no way you could convince 8 billion people to stop having kids, and enforcing reproduction rights is definitely wrong, you also couldn’t convince people of a mass suicide, so humans dying out as a species is not an option.

          i would also like to clarify that i do not support capitalism in any way (i am very socialist) and that I’m applying value to useful things, not things with monetary value, if earth for some reason didn’t have any metal deposits on its surface anywhere, and all of the useful materiel was deep enough that you would need metal to access it we would never have gotten this far, and if civilization did collapse there would be no returning to what we have now its not about capitalism its about the actual materiel that would be impossible to access or use.

          and yeas i do have pride in being human, and you should too! name any other species on earth that has walked on the moon, or invented philosophy, or even complex meaningful language, humans (as far as we know right now) are the only things in the universe that are trying to understand the universe, I’m definitely not saying i condone animal abuse or pollution, or the oil industry, but if those things went away right now everything would be a lot worse than it is.

          sorry for being so long winded! I’m just a nerd for this stuff!