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They don’t allow phones in actual prisons so why should schools be any different? \s
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Only question I have is is there exceptions? I know a few kids with some medical conditions like diabetes that have monitors that synch to their phone to control medication or send alerts… Wonder how they are going to address those situations. Otherwise, I could see the benefits on a smart phone ban during school hours. I just wonder how they are going to administer that.
Schools with good administrations will make accommodations for kids that need it. Schools with bad administrations won’t until somebody sues.
Dumb ass American politicians don’t know how to govern beyond “ban or blow up something we don’t like”.
Tik Tok, abortion, delta 8
Yeah pretty much.
What do you suggest as an alternative?
I don’t know, maybe good parenting?
You could have just admitted that you have no alternative. It’s okay to do that.
I am so impossibly glad I’m no longer a minor and have no plans to ever have any children. Incredible how adults wanting to control young people’s lives is a phenomenon that is just not dying out.
As for bills to limit “addictive algorithms” blah blah blah: https://www.eff.org/cyberspace-independence kthxbai
No longer a minor, but still a kid for not understanding it !
Keeping cell phones out of middle schoolers hands during school hours when they are meant to be learning, and contributing to a community is controlling their lives? Wow, it is no wonder people don’t value teachers or education in America.
Smart phones and computers in general are the reason why kids have no critical thinking skills. I say this as a sysadmin of thirty years. They need to be banned from schools. kids/minors don’t get complete control. You have to be kinda childish to think they should.
Kids need to be able to leave their last words when a school shooter comes. If the government is going to ban phones they should at least allow old school audio recorders. While we are at it might be a good policy to require school ideas to be in shoes at all times so children dead bodies can be identified faster.
They could also just take a regular cellphone.
As far as I can see, this is banning smartphones, not cellphones. Can still do calls and text.
What kid these days has a dumb phone? This effectively bans phones and put the burden of corralling student attention in the hands of the parents.
Parents aren’t about to go out replacing their kids phones with dumb phones. Kids aren’t about to stop carrying their phones (I would tell my kids to keep it on them regardless of what the school says)
This is just a thin excuse for boards to put the blame on teachers and parents for the districts poor performance when really what we need is a lower teacher to student ratio, higher wage for teachers, and schools that are properly funded so these kids can be engaged with instead of policed.
corralling student attention in the hands of the parents
What does this mean?
Also, I don’t necessarily disagree with what you’re saying ; the people in control of schools across the U.S. should be ashamed of themselves. However it is the responsibility of the parents to not just shove their kids in front of a screen because they’re too busy for them.
Teachers have it hard enough as it is, I have nothing to say on that front. I would never have the patience to go through what teachers go through, period.
My wife is a teacher in Finland and two cousins are teachers in USA.
Smartphones don’t help with education either. Two things can be true. I’m not even sure what you mean by “corralling student attention in the hands of the parents”.
That said, I was sarcastically replying to the comment above me which sarcastically suggested old school tape recorders.
It would be nice if we could all be afforded the opportunity to record our last words before we die, but that’s not exactly how it works. On 9/11/01, we did not have technological wonders in our pockets for those poor people to use to record their last moments. So what would you have argued for then? What is it that makes you think kids these days are so special that they somehow deserve to be afforded something more?
There is countless senseless death all around us every day. You need to accept that.
Don’t force phones into schools because you can’t accept the grim world in which we live. Hate me all you want for it, but your argument is thin.
This is a bad move
Students phone usage in schools are problematic. It’s not just in the classroom, but (raises hand) can i go to the bathroom (to use my phone). You can’t lock down their at&t or t-mobile phones. Don’t know how an outright ban would work but it’s worth a shot. Education like democracy is in decline and in peril. Especially public education with the onslaught of charter schools.
There are devices that listen for phone traffic.
So they listen for phone traffic, then what? Track down every user throughout the school day and intercept them? I would wager people who respond with IT solutions don’t realize they at times sound like a ‘tech bro’ who believes they have s solution for everything even of they have no experience in education, no experience being an educator and understanding their contexts. It’s no wonder why teachers in general in America are treated so poorly. Even folks who say they support teachers don’t understand how much they have to do and with so many students and little time.
We often make laws without a way to enforce them 100% effectively. For example, my road has a 25 MPH speed limit even though we haven’t yet installed speed limiting chips on every single car in the nation, we still went ahead and put a speed limit on our road though, and it mostly works, but sometimes someone drives 30 MPH.
Funny-ly enough you can block their signal. Issue is it’s also going to block everyone within range
That is also v e r y illegal.
I disagree. I think it should be up to the individual schools or students to make the rules, not a statewide bill
I wonder how many comments on Lemmy were written out under a desk in class.
Makes sense. They’re distracting. Not sure why they were allowed in the first place.
Hey at least us parents could take comfort in that if there is a school shooting we might get a voicemail of our children’s last words
A bit dark!
Lmao, Jesus
We did this a while ago in the Netherlands and so far the research results on the effects look promising.
Yes even the kids’ reactions generally seemed positive, some mentioned there were more conversations and joking going on in between classes, and cyber bullying was less prevalent (although ‘old school’ bullying seemed to make a comeback somewhat)
Good. Go even further and bad kids from mobile phones until they’re at least 15, and teach them how to responsibly use them
as someone whose only escape from real-life horribleness when he was a preteen and early teen was the Internet: how about you stop wanting to control other people’s lives and mind your own business and trust others (yes, even young people) to know what’s good for them and what’s not
As someone who sees the rather devastating effects of mobile phones: I’ll stopmdoing that when people get smart enough to know what is really bad for them. Right now it’s a tad bit too obvious that they don’t. Social media is messing up kids, mobile phones make it much, much worse. I used to see kids talking together doing stuff, now all I see is kids quietly in a group not taking to one another and just staring at their screen. I see kids falling asleep while.listening to tik tok, I see them waking up to toktok.
If you can’t play responsibly, we’ll take away your toy.
In also a big proponent of limiting unsupervised internet access to kids under 12 at least. I’ve seen wla weeeee bit too many kids showing off the latest decapitation video to eachother, I’ve seen kids on pedo telegram channels… The internet is not a safe playground for kids, never was, never will be.
If you think that a y of the above is fine then I don’t know what to tell ya.
“I have seen these addictive algorithms pull in young people, literally capture them and make them prisoners in a space where they are cut off from human connection, social interaction and normal classroom activity,” she said.
literally capture them? you should be literally ejected from office.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/literally
literally
(degree, figuratively, proscribed, contranym) Used non-literally as an intensifier for figurative statements: virtually, so to speak (often considered incorrect; see usage notes)
Synonym: virtually
He was so surprised, he literally jumped twenty feet in the air.
I agree that it’s a goddamn obnoxious use of the word that is a recipe for ambiguity, but I think that the battle over this has been lost.
I blame Paris Hilton.
Spend 5 minutes on any HS campus during passing period and you’ll see that it’s correct to say capture.
