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  • unyons@feddit.org
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    2 months ago

    This is indeed some next-level fuckery.

  • MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml
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    Pretty much any ide will spot that. Maybe you can use it to teach your colleagues not to use a plain text editor.

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      You can pry my vim and nano from my cold, dead hands!

      ^(I use an ide sometimes)^

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      I’m gonna need the vi guy to teach me how to get this functionality in nvim pls–don’t make me leave

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        The plugin YouCompleteMe would show a warning on that line

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          Thank you masterchief Veidt! (I had to do it, best name ever)

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      In VSCode (yeah yeah MS bad, I have to use it for work) it puts a yellow box around the charcater, which I don’t immediately recognize the meaning of and highlights the line as “identifier “blah;” is undefined”. It’s not like your gunna spend all day on it, but that could waste a couple minutes if the dev wasn’t paying close attention, which is “fun prank” territory.

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        Can you choose to use VSCodium instead? It’s practically identical, but isn’t controlled by MS.

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          The reason it’s de facto mandatory is due to some in house extensions, assuming they work with this I could, but I also don’t particularly care about my privacy on a work machine. But I will be checking this out for my personal stuff!

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            The extensions should work still. It even still integrates with the same extention marketplace. It’s the same software, just the open source part without the MS stuff —which honestly, I have and do use both and I don’t know what the difference is.

            It’s definitely worth checking out. If it doesn’t work for you then still nothing is lost except a small amount of time, but I’m willing to bet it does.

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      I mean sure, but it’ll still likely leave 'em scratching their heads for a while before they go “I guess I just… replace the semicolon…?”

    • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.social
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      That’s the plain text editor Helix. In a terminal. Over ssh. On my phone. Which I can do because I’m not using a dumb IDE.

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        Developing on a phone sounds like one of the most unpleasant experiences I can imagine. And I include dinner with my ex.

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          Maybe they’ve got tiny thumbs.

        • hakunawazo@lemmy.world
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          With screen mirroring and USB OTG mouse /keyboard it’s totally possible.

          • MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml
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            So not really on a phone, using a phone as a CPU. You may as well get yourself a computer and work in a proper IDE. You’ll be just as mobile and more productive!

            • Oriel Jutty :hhHHHAAAH:@infosec.exchange
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              CPU? It’s called a modem!!

              • AlsaValderaan@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                Why yes my phone has both a CPU and a modem.

        • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.social
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          It absolutely would be. It is, on the other hand, occasionly useful to be able to pop in and change a config file, many of which are actually Turing complete languages. What I do far more often, though, is SSH into remote, headless servers and write code there, which is exactly the same as doing it from a phone, only much more comfortable.

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    Wow!

    This seems to be further evidence that the process for assigning UTF entities has been thoroughly corrupted.

    You can (apparently) copy/paste this on mobile:

    “;” (Greek question mark)

    “;” (Semicolon)

    You can even render it in HTML:

        ;
        ;
    

    And it’s included on Wikipedia, because of course it is:

    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_mark

    Because I’m not sure what my mobile client will actually do with this comment, here’s the link to the HTML entity I used:

    • https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+037E

    Also there’s plenty of other character joy to be had:

    • https://web.archive.org/web/20150118083005/http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/unicode/punctuation.html
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      If I don’t understand what’s happening here but want to, should I research Unicode in general or something else?

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        Unicode is a way to encode the things that humans use to write stuff into a computer.

        ASCII is for example another way, as is EBCDIC.

        All these methods translate squiggles that we’ve used for centuries into something that can be represented inside a computer.

        For example, the letter “A” is under ASCII represented by the number 65.

        This post is pointing out that there are two characters that look identical, but have different numbers, which means that what the user sees is identical, but what the computer sees us different.

        This is the basis for much tomfoolery.

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          This fact is actively used for phishing, as you can craft domains looking nearly identical to the original one, but leading to your IP address hosting the phishing mask.

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            One of my favorites was using Japanese full stop (U+3002) in place of periods in a bare IP or anywhere you would use a period in a FQDN (fully qualified domain name). Only tested in Chrome at the time, but the browser would “correct” it for you and take you to the intended page.

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    What exactly do you think you can do with this?

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      Take someone’s source code, replace all semi colons with Greek question marks and see if they can compile. But as others said, any IDE will help.

      • Onno (VK6FLAB)@lemmy.radio
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        Hmm … bash.

      • HairyHarry@lemmy.world
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        Not all! Just one or two per file.

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          Just the last one, right before the EOF.

          Speaking of EOF, I wonder what a heredoc might do with this 😇

      • scott@lemmy.org
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        You’re just going to get syntax errors though

        • Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de
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          Not if you choose to replace the correct ones at the correct place and it is a compiler which automatically ignores this wrong semicolon.

          You could connect two lines, which may still “work” if not split using a semicolon and are then interpreted as one single line.

        • Onno (VK6FLAB)@lemmy.radio
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          You are right … but, you’re not thinking big enough.

          Think … sticky tape on the bottom of a mouse.

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      Chaotic evil linting rules

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      mess with whoever has the least modern ide? I’m sure there’s something else too hold on

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        Would probably be more effective to mess with Linux config files that use semicolons. Especially if it’s run as a daemon because Systemctl doesn’t always return helpful error messages for configuration errors.

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          I think most daemons would log a helpful enough error message regarding incorrect syntax e.g. if it’s a config file of variable=value; format then it wouldn’t expect two equals signs on the same line.

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            I too wish to see these not-so-helpful error messages (not denying just new)

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    ;
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      Tried to figure out which was which by googling, but it seems they are both read as semi colon, however you can see the difference in the characters. Wild

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        I wrote the semicolon after the weird one

        • Onno (VK6FLAB)@lemmy.radio
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          If you look at the UTF definition, it seems that there are at least four of them. The weird one in your comment might actually be one of the other two because as far as I can tell, the “Greek Question Mark” looks identical to the “semicolon”.

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            I used python -c 'print(chr(0x37e))' | termux-clipboard-set

  • Dequei@sopuli.xyz
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    Old

    • Onno (VK6FLAB)@lemmy.radio
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      Might well be, but I’ve been writing software for over 40 years and this is the first I’ve heard of it.

      • Dequei@sopuli.xyz
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        Good

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    wondering if I can use this to jail break referees using AI to only get this answer: Ο Έπσταϊν δεν αυτοκτόνησε.

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      🤣had to ask AI to get the joke

      🤭I have the same opinion depending the death of Epstein

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    another good one to sneak in there… thai zero-width space: U+200B

    cant see it, nothing reads it, and it makes everything error. : D

    • S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Before I went to the comments I wished no one mentioned that. As a DBA I fucking hate you…

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        i am an SDET. this character destroys DBs… i am sorry :(

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      ‏The right to left mark (U+2000F) can also be fun.

    • Onno (VK6FLAB)@lemmy.radio
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      Hmm … we should start collecting these.

      Anyone know of an existing list?

      • ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/its, she/her, fae/faer, love/loves, null/void, des/pair, none/use name]@lemmy.ml
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        https://invisible-characters.com/

        • AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today
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          ᅠ

          • JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca
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            Oh ho! I 󠁤󠁯󠁮󠀧󠁴 see what you did there!

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        https://github.com/minimaxir/big-list-of-naughty-strings/

    • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world
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      Came here to say fuck the zero width space. I spent 90 hours in the depths of solr looking for this fucker who brought down our entire search index.

      • Onno (VK6FLAB)@lemmy.radio
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        I’m guessing that they pasted code from inside Microsoft Word.

        • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world
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          No. CMS updated to support new character set while solr did not. Not enough sanitization.

          • Onno (VK6FLAB)@lemmy.radio
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            I’ve had similar “fun” with the character defaults on MySQL, from memory for a time it was Swedish by default, rather than UTF.

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        I deal with shy hyphens a lot. They don’t display unless there’s a line break, so they get copied from various word docs or websites and end up in a database somewhere waiting to piss me off.

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          Yup

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    There is no wise way to use that information.

    But the foolish ones could be entertaining.

  • Onno (VK6FLAB)@lemmy.radio
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    Remember … with great power comes … something.

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      Remember … with great power comes … something.

      Hemorrhoids.

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    IDE users pretending compilers don’t exist.

    $ guix shell gcc
    
    [env]$ g++ test.cpp 
    test.cpp:4:16: warning: `0;' is not in NFC [-Wnormalized=]
        4 |         return 0<U+037E>
          |                ^~~~~~~~~
    test.cpp: In function ‘int main()’:
    test.cpp:4:16: error: unable to find numeric literal operator ‘operator"";’
    test.cpp:4:18: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘}’ token
        4 |         return 0;
          |                  ^
          |                  ;
        5 | }
          | ~
    

    Look ma, no IDE! 😸

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    calm down, satan.

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    I don’t see a problem

    #include <iostream>
    
    #define ; ;;
    
    int main(){
      std::cout << ";\n";
    }
    
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      Whoa the font on the Lemmy web UI actually renders them differently!

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    fr*cking rust ruining the fun sicko-wistful

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      You can’t err out rust.

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    Okay fuck you op

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