Religion, ALL religion, is a fucking cancer, the blight of humanity.
Wow! But if I “overheard” part of this “confession” as a “mandated reporter” BY FED LAW (confessionals are NOT SOUND PROOF), I can go to jail if I do not report what I overheard and the government found out I knew… straight to court!
Yet, these fucks get a hall pass to keep fucking with kids “because of religion”, religion doesn’t give you the freedom to fuck with kids but the Catholics would know the most about fucking with kids wouldn’t they?!?! Appalling! Our nation is fucked!
I mean, am I surprised when our “president” is a know pedophile who talked about his own daughter sexually and was besties with Epstein!? WHERE IS THE CLIENT LIST!? We know Drumpf was probs the invite NUMBER 1 and FUNDED it! 🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
Over the years, there were numerous lawsuits about the use of certain drugs in a religious context, and they were always shot down in the courts. THIS is where they choose to bend ?
But you see, those other religions are pagan. This is a lawsuit brought by Christians.
I really wish that wasn’t the justification these judges use.
It’s weird how one group of people has such a warped idea of what “freedom” means.
There was a really great article about the difference between Northern liberty vs. the Southern notion of “liberty”. The Southern is mostly about the “liberty” to rule over others.
Estudillo ruled that requiring disclosure of information priests hear in the confessional infringes on their First Amendment right to practice religion and will force them to violate their sacred vows or face punishment by the state.
The church’s recorded propensity for rampant pedophilia legally demonstrates that they hold noting sacred other than pedophilia and other forms of abuse, making the judge’s ruling (among many other things) invalid. Ignore that idiot, Washington.
Perverse judgement from a perverted judge in yet another case of using perverted make believe superstitions as some perverse magical shield to protect perverts from facing justice.
This can’t be overstated.
The freedom of religion to do what?
It’s just one of the most outrageous stuff “freedom of religion” is being used for. Liberal democracies all around the world are being dismantled in the name of “freedom of religion” in part, other part in name of money.
The freedom to not report cases of child abuse when told in the Catholic confessional.
By that logic, I can live sacrifice MAGATs to a idol of Teddy Roosevelt and be in the clear. This law is fucking stupid.
Standing up for religious freedom…to keep child abuse secret.
My religion says I can shoot politicians in the fucking face.
And no, I don’t have to pay taxes on that.
https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3
Multiple religious organizations established abuse hotlines, which publicly appears to be an effort to address the higher than average child SA criminals within their clergy/employees.
But they are actually getting used to establish a loophole so if they report it to clergy using the hotline they want to use religious protected speech (like confession), or if they report it to a lawyer they want it to be attorney client privilege speech. Then they always have a clergy or lawyer answer the hotline and never report the crime to anyone outside their organization ignoring local laws.
The actual situation is a lot more nuanced than the headline makes it out to be. The main issue at hand here is the Catholic seal of confession, which has an extremely long history in US law (and in the law in many other countries) as being protected under freedom of religion. Essentially, Catholics are supposed to confess their sins to a priest and be given instructions on how those sins can be forgiven. This practice is extremely old, and crucially, the priest isn’t allowed to tell anyone what they were told in confession unless the confessor wants them to. This is for obvious reasons- nobody would confess anything to the priest otherwise. They take this very seriously- Catholic priests essentially believe that breaking the seal of confession is a one way ticket straight to Hell for themselves (actual situation is more complex but that’s the short version) and most won’t do it even if the law says they have to.
Anyway, the law in question essentially requires priests to break the seal of confession in child sex abuse cases. That seems rational given how many other people are mandated reporters, but because of the long history in US law of respecting the seal of confession and how central this practice is to Catholic doctrine, it’s understandable that there is a legal fight about it and why a judge put a pause on it. Regardless of what you may personally believe on this matter, US law depends on precedent and I find it unlikely that even a normal supreme Court that isn’t controlled entirely by far right activist judges would let this one stand, if this even made it to the supreme court. The precedent is just very much against it.
But in fairness…. In a country where there is supposed to be a separation of church and state- the nuance in this should be a non-starter.
The American government has no place even in prescient to protect or uphold religious tenant.
EDIT: I’ll add that if someone confesses to a priest that they raped and/or killed a child, and that priest DOESN’T go to authorities, then they are complicit in the crime and should be incarcerated along with the rapist.
No special protections for child-rape book clubs. Hope that covers the nuances unlike the judge in the headline who is covering for nonces.
The mods in this community are so dumb. Gee, let’s protect the child rapists, can’t even think about making a comment that implies violence or it gets removed. Don’t worry about context, you hear that everyone! Violence is bad ya’ll no matter the context, even if someone tries to rape you!
Edit: For the record, when you come to remove this. I was raped as a child, so I have strong feelings about this for good reason. You have personal experience with rape, and you get to have an opinion on it. If you haven’t and you think my response is over the top, then you can go fuck yourself. My entire life was ruined bcz of some asshole who wanted to diddle a fucking little kid.
I’m guessing you didn’t even stop to think that this isn’t about you or what you’ve experienced, or that it has nothing to do with you at all for that matter.
The mods are bound to enforce the rules as stated by the country that hosts the instance. Nothing more.
If you’re here to suggest violence as a response to things you disagree with- and you are here to do this despite it being stated clearly in the ToS that it’s against the rules, then it’s on you.
You don’t get carte blanche to violate the rules just because you have a personal connection to the subject.
Fuck off, I didnt ask what you think.
And who one asked you your thoughts when you commented?
I’m sorry that happened to you. That’s indefensible, as is stopping this from becoming law. What a disgusting organization the GOP is. Openly protecting pedophiles. Once again, the children are the ones who will suffer the most.
So they just need to classify Epstein as a religious leader?
kind of similar on how Christian conservatives push for child/adult marriage, because they believe the only damage of pedophilia is that it is out of wedlock, and it would be better for the child they are sent to live with a rapist and become their servant.
Ig sexually abusing kids falls under religious freedoms now. What a shithole country
More specifically, Washington State (and most other states) have mandated reporter laws regarding child abuse. If your profession is on the list, you are a mandated reporter. Construction workers are an example of people not mandated reporters. If they suspect abuse they should say something but aren’t legally mandated. Teachers, nurses, and clergy are examples of mandated reporters. They have to say something. The carve out is if the priest learns the information during a sacramental confession. Outside of the confessional, he still reports. But because people stop going to confession when priests don’t have the seal of the confessional, churches maintain that requirement. Child abusers aren’t going to confess to someone who will report that confession to the government so it isn’t like this law was going to stop any abuse. In fact, more abuse might happen when perverts have no one to turn to when they need someone to deal with their messed up psychology.
