How is this not fraud?
It’s a simple question. They are deliberately misleading and lying to customers for unlawful corporate gain.
And that’s why I switched to Linux.
Switching to Linux won’t save you if Microsoft Edge takes such a huge market share that a lot of the internet starts to basically require it.
I promise you that unequivocally will not happen
Windows is telling people their computer is broken if they don’t use Edge.
Bing, not Edge.
As it stands it’s better than the most popular browser so it’s not impossible
I have to disagree, edge has been a big ol’ joke since it’s conception, most non tech literate people see it and go, huh, okay time to download chrome.
Most tech literate people don’t like it for the myriad of other problems, i can’t think of a single scenario where edge dominates the market
It dominates the market in vertical tabs IMO. I tried Vivaldi, Firefox extension, the works. The best-feeling alternative was Safari
It has performance tweaks over Chrome and doesn’t have Google’s spyware
what about Microsoft’s spyware
Majority of users already subscribe to that by using Windows
Older but is still accurate https://www.yugatech.com/comparisons/microsoft-edge-vs-google-chrome-which-browser-should-you-use/
I said “tech illiterate”, most people on here are going to primarily be using Firefox and other smaller competitors, but in the main stream world like it or not chrome is still huge
Yes my original statement was that it was a better browser than Chrome
What would that be? Microsoft Edge is a Chromium browser, it can’t do more with webpages than Chrome or any other of the bunch can.
Oh and Edge is available for Linux, so there’s that. Not that I’d use it…
Microsoft can modify chromium. They can add proprietary things to it. Yes you could use edge if you have to critical pages that only works right on edge.
So wait, let me get this straight, people shouldn’t install Linux to avoid windows because they might make edge somehow critical to the use of major websites? Why not just use Linux anyways since that’s not happening anytime soon (especially not with the market share Chrome and Firefox have)
I didn’t say people shouldn’t install Linux. But even if you do, browser share matters and if Microsoft is abusing their customers and tricking them into using edge in mass, then it will affect you as a Linux user too.
It’s fucking moot.
Idk what I can say about this except “lol”
My reaction too. Next thing they’ll have a hand reach out from the monitor and slap you in the face every time you log on. And people will still put up with it.
A lot of people don’t have a choice
Actually, those that don’t have a choice aren’t affected by the enshittification quite as much. This mainly affects the consumers using Windows Home. And those definitely could try something else.
Technically speaking noone is restricting you from changing your job/school
Yeah technically in the most literal sense of the word. In practice we both know that’s not the case.
Who is this Noone guy, and why is he restricting everyone’s job and school choices?
I fought with Broadcom’s shitty website for hours, but finally have Workstation Pro, in which I will test my workflows in Linux.
Games and Lightroom will be a challenge, but I’m going to avoid Win11 at all costs.
This time the software giant is trying out having PC Manager suggest that you ‘repair’ your system by reverting to Microsoft’s default search engine, Bing.
These are sound like things that are just begging European union to milk out some cash from Microsoft through fines.
They probably already set it up to not happen in Europe
Or set aside the cash as a neccessary expenditure to greater income.
Microsoft needs to be broken up.
Any company that can be so blatantly anti consumer and still makes boatloads of money is obviously abusing its dominant position on the market.
Didn’t happen with Apple, or IBM, or Google, or Facebook, or…
Wasn’t IBM broken up into different hardware and software companies? Or an I thinking of someone else
Not ibm. You might be thinking of Bell: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System
Nah that’s obvious. There was a major supercomputer company that split up their hardware and software soon after software wasn’t strictly for one machine anymore.
Which company?
Pathetic.
That’s because they’ve integrated it into the start menu. Evil, yes. But technically correct.
This is the one thing that justfied buying an enterprise licensing model for my C level overlords.
“[…] switching the default search engine back to Bing […] from Google Search (or whatever other browser is set as default).”
Google is a Browser now, neat. And somehow it’s relevant in a post about search engines.
“Microsoft Edge, the default browser pre-installed on Windows machines, and Bing Search aren’t bad products by any means - they are solid alternatives to Google’s own Chrome and Search.”
They may be good compared to Chrome and now also Google. But even rotten eggs are better than literal shit, at least for most people.
When I made this, I did not expect I’d use it much. Then…Windows 11.
Imagine you have a computer that’s been compromised by malware. What do you think the search engine will be set to? Not Google, not Bing, probably some third party one that has ads and malware. Changing that to Bing would technically qualify as a repair.
They could easily improve this by just adding a list of common reputable search engines, and adding those to an allow list.
What a fucking stupid argument.
As a Linux aficionado, I appreciate you trying to bring an argument for Windows in good faith and a potential way for Microsoft to improve it. This is even if steering people to Bing is Microsoft’s intention with this move so they are unlikely to improve it in the way you suggested.
Since forever, Microsoft-affiliated products are often the only things that get the “trusted” label within the Microsoft ecosystem.
Yeah it’s not ideal. I just don’t see a world where Microsoft will set people’s search engine to DuckDuckGo
Windows: System needs repairing Me: proceeds to install linux mint
Isn’t this exactly what got them broken up last time?
Yeah, but back then you Americans had a government. I can’t see it happening with your current circus.
The EU, however, is already looking at MS over teams monopoly practises (fucking finally!), I’m hoping edge and copilot/bing are on their radar too!
Please microsoft, become the ad platform you’re destined to become and give users a reason to move to linux.
I use a mixture of Linux and Windows 10 LTSC on my PCs/servers/VMs. I will be the first to admit that Windows does sometimes make sense to use. My desktop PC and my dev environment are both Windows 10.
That being said, what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10? As far as I can tell, it’s worse in every way. Built-in ads, a crappier UI, forced obsolescence with TPM requirements, and “feature” bloat that nobody asked for.
10 was a clear improvement over 8, but 11 just seems all-around worse.
That being said, what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10?
Windows 11 re-introduced Clippy as an emoji:
Holy shit, really?
My change controls written in comic sans are going to a new level!
what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10?
Many years ago, I was at a Windows XP launch event and the Microsoft Rep had a really honest line:
“Why should you start using Windows XP? Because we’re going to stop supporting Windows 98!”And ya, that’s pretty much been the cattle prod Microsoft uses to push new versions, eventually you stop getting security updates for the older OS and at some point there are enough security vulnerabilities which make it no longer safe for daily use. That said, with Windows becoming more and more user hostile, other options start to make more sense.
I’d like to hope that by the time Win10 is no longer supported, we have Win12 that doesn’t suck. The way things are going, though, I doubt it. I’m expecting that Win10 will be the last version of Windows I use.
I still prefer Windows over Linux for gaming and software development, but everyone has their limit. I am strongly opposed to advertisements, and when I can no longer block ads from my operating system, it’s dead to me.
Windows 12 will probably be subscription based and cloud only
I never upgraded software-wise. Moreso my tech got so outdated that new hardware I’d get (I only use Windows for gaming) would have the latest Windows installed - exactly what Microsoft wants.
I think Proton/Linux in the past year is going to really disrupt that strategy.
