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      If anyone is actually going to get that right in a mainstream product, it will probably be Signal.

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        Year according to a wiki page on the unofficial Signal wiki the backup will not be directly linked to the user “It appears that backups will not be directly linkable to a user. Authentication for operations against a given backup will use zero-knowledge proofs.”.

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    I don’t mind paying a fair price, for a service, so they should go for it. I use both Signal and Telegram, and I would pay for Telegram too, if the price was more fair…

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          1. No end-to-end encryption by default, you have to explicitly start a secret chat. That means that instead of it all being encrypted noise, secret chats stand out.
          2. Servers are not open source (last time I checked). Why not? Seriously, why not?
          3. Admittedly, not much of an issue any more, but in the beginning they had horrible security (so did WhatsApp until Facebook threw some competent engineers at the problem)
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            There’s end-to-end encryption. It’s fine that you can chose what needs to be private, and what doesn’t need to be.

            There could be several reasons as to why the servers are not OS. Why do you need that part to be OS? Seriously, why?

            Oh, so your problem with Telegram is, that it had some issues in the past, just like EVERY other app in the beginning? Nice one. :-)

            So, let’s summarize.

            1. You lie, and say that there’s no end-to-end encryption when there is.
            2. It would be preferable to have OS servers, but it’s not a major issue, since everything else is.
            3. You have an issue with something in “Back to the Future”… Which is no longer an issue.
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              You lie, and say that there’s no end-to-end encryption when there is

              That is not what I said. Please take a deep breath, maybe go outside for a minute, and read my reply again.

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              Woot?! (not op),

              1. He said “no e2e by default” which is true. Straw man/missrepresentation
              2. You post on the fediverse, which is decentral - why shouldn’t you want this for telegram too? Open source server would allow to check / trust code, host your own, be more resilient against central attacks/malicious intend. Also you just waved it away saying it is not a biggy - maybe to you.
              3. Last time I checked telegram still has major trust issues for me. No way to know how much governments are involved, code is not independently checked for security (happy to be proven wrong on especially the last one)

              Its totally fine that you like telegram, but you can do that while acknowledging others preferences

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        You contradict yourself. You can’t say that the price is fair, for something that doesn’t have the features that the price should cover.

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      I think it’s cloud backups.

      In the GitHub commit it’s called Renew your Signal Backups subscription.

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    All of my signal conversations have auto expiry

    Do people really use their conversation logs for things? Are you often searching your conversational logs?

    Outside of corporate compliance issues I can’t imagine the workflow for most people

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      Yes, and yes.

      “I said this was happening 3 weeks ago. Here’s the literal text of me sending it to you and you saying ‘Okay thanks’ in reply.”

      Shuts down an argument real quick.

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      I never set auto expiry and often search messages. Sometimes it’s because I want to find a specific fact or datum from two years ago; other times it’s just for a reminder of a memory. On occasion, if the history wasn’t there, people might remember something important differently.

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      Me and my wife and wife sends information, pictures , whatever. I often search my messages for stuff

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      You are right, I don’t really search my messages that much. Most important conversion is going by email for most people still.

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      Yes, and yes. But most of it’s because I’ve moved all communication over to it.

      If I have anything that shouldn’t stick around it doesn’t stick around, If I need my grocery list from last month it’s there though.

      That said, I really don’t have any interest in backups. It’s an ephemeral stream at best that is there when I need it. And there are parts of it disappear when they’re no longer needed.

      The days where we presumed we could safely bitch about things to our friends over social media are clearly gone and privacy is of ultimate importance.

      Pretend it’s 1984, and you won’t get yourself in trouble.

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      Most Whatsapp users (my parents) want to keep logs of everything, its become normalised.

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      Though the same I like my conversations disappear when I need to reinstall Signal.

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    Anyone knows about creating easily a signal account without smartphone ? Telegram does that and I have tremondous people that would use that instead of whatsapp/telegram and that don’t understand matrix or even Mattermost 😭

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      Telegram does that? how? you need a phone number, so essentially a smartphone too. or is it common in your community to use feature phones, so that the problem is no registration on PC?

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        No Telegram can do registration with just a simple text message + pc, no need of smartphones just simple dumb phone

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      Assuming you have a computer to get on here, you could use an Android emulator like BlueStacks.

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        But you need a simcard with this emulator to connect to signal, here I’m talking about getting a text message and then still have a signal account, or even better : only having an account but wirh email or norhing. I think it’s not possible to have signal work the way you describe.

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          A phone number that can receive SMS is required, but it doesn’t have to be associated with the device that’s running Signal last I checked.

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            So you can have signal desktop on pc and activate it from there with a phone that only receives SMS ? I have a few people to tell so they can try then because this is a huge step for non-smartphone users. If anyone have a source on this btw I would be happy to read it !

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          Telegram too requires that you verify your phone number, right? So I took that as a given.

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    Signal backups are an issue. They keep growing. I need to look into a solution sooner or later that isn’t just buying a phone with more space. I’d like to find ways to reduce the size and keep managing the backups myself, but that’s gonna take time. If they offer a secure, private, and affordable service, I’d prolly just redirect my donations to that.

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      It would be nice if the backups were split into time-indexed files so I could move the old parts to cheap external hard drives and only keep recent backups on my expensive phone storage.

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        Agreed. Would be great if we could save old backups on a server and search it from a client, instead of the current option of keeping everything in one local backup. The latter is a real problem after a while if you have contacts that like sending videos.

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          I imagine search of server backups would be pretty hard to do securely. Better management of locally stored media would be nice, but you can sort by size, export, and delete media from inside the settings.

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      honestly thats why I don’t like signal and simplex for people who send lots of images. something server-based is much more suitable for them, like Matrix. that is, if their apps were more stable. there’s also the security about metadata, but for most people that’s probably not a huge concern

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        Well, if you didn’t know, Molly is a soft fork of the Signal Android client.

        But, I think both support making local backups of your chats.
        I do so daily and keep two copies. These get synced in real time to my little NAS and/or my PC/Laptop

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            Glad to be of help! I personally really like Syncthing, since it makes implementing a resilient decentralised quite easy.

            Though I would recommend you go with “Syncthing-Fork”, as iirc the “vanilla” app was put into maintenance mode or smth like that

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    If this feature rolls out but you can’t pay for it. You can always use Molly (fork of signal). If you can support the project than do it. But if you can’t than don’t force your self

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    Excellent news honestly. Trying to get people to switch to something encrypted and the one thing I’ve thought of is that I want to know it can continue indefinitely. Everything else in life costs money- we just never think of it computer wise because we pay with our data and privacy.

    This can join threema with a solid revenue stream. I back mine up locally but would pay for this anyhow.

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    I have no issue with this, I personally wouldn’t use it but I get that they need to make money (which is why i have a recurrent donation every month).

    If this helps them to do that, then so be it