Canada to announce all new cars must be zero emissions by 2035::Canada expects to announce this week that all new cars will have to be zero emissions by 2035, a senior government source said, as Ottawa is set to unveil new regulations in the latest example of countries around the world pushing for electrification.

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    11 months ago

    Hope Canada has the political will to make this an actual reality.

    I don’t think these kill all internal combustion engine by a set date policies are going to really work out. We’re still in the “incentivize people stage” of switching not the “kill it off internal combustion engine completely stage”. Most people don’t buy new cars cuz they’re just too expensive and there aren’t a lot of used EV’s that are affordable out there currently.

    And before anyone says I don’t get the whole thing. I own an EV, I think there’s quite a long way to actually convince people to get them as a replacement.

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      11 months ago

      We’re talking about 11 years in the future, and there’s a ramp up included in the legislation. That’s a long time, 11 years ago Tesla started selling the Model S, basically kicking off the current EV industry.

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          I’d say they are mostly ready now except for a few very specific use cases.

          Yes, batteries charging times should be shorter and have a longer range, but they are already acceptable for daily usage.

          What we need is to wait while old vehicles are being phased out so people replace them with electric cars. Most people aren’t going to replace their perfectly working gasoline car with an electric just because it’s greener.

          Once there are more readily available cheap models and second hand ones, it’ll probably be a smooth transition. I think it’s reasonable to stop selling consumer gasoline cars in a decade.

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          350 mile range and a lot more charging infrastructure are what’s needed. The range is practically there already. This is fully achievable if we don’t sit on our ass. Forcing us not to sit on our ass is the point of setting goals 11 years out.

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      I think that really depends where you are. If you’re in the US, sure. The US is far behind on infrastructure. If you’re in Europe, it’s much more viable. They have a lot more infrastructure (including much better public transportation) and EVs are actually viable as a replacement.

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        11 months ago

        It’s fine for 90% of what people do with cars in the US. People in the US seem to like roadtrips a lot more than Europeans, though, and that’s where infrastructure needs to improve.

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          Right. You can easily take a long roadtrip in an EV in Europe. Not so much in the US. At least not yet.

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    11 months ago

    I’ve got a TOPSECRIT Kickstarter project going that uses (shhhh!) sails on cars. ZERO emissions, baby. Come sign up !

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    Is that no emissions at all along the cars life from production to scrap? Cus EVs today are in large just virtue vehicles.

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      Interested to see where that data comes from, as looking at the lifetime emissions of an EV vs an ICE vehicle inclusive of fuel EVs are generally significantly lower emissions. If you’re only considering the emissions associated with the manufacture of the vehicles, EVs do result in more GHG, but very quickly once both vehicles are actually in use the benefits of EVs become apparent.

      EPA.gov

      MIT

      New York Times

      University of Technology Sydney

      Cambridge University

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        While somewhat misguided, they do still kinda have a point: Car centric culture really does have a high environmental cost regardless of power source. Switching from ICE to EV is a good start, but we also need to address urban sprawl, and push for better mass transit as well as cycling infrastructure.

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      Are you saying that the emission resulting from an EVs production is the same as the emission from and olds car production and lifetime of fuel usage combined?

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        Production of batteries, handling discarded batteries, breaking of minerals FOR the batteries, and producing the electricity have all been shown to be worse for the environment than than the entire life of a traditional car

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          You got something to back that up? The last study I read (I think it was from Volvo comparing one of their EVs against the ICE version of the car) showed between 60 and 80 thousand miles (depending on the energy generation mix) was the tipping point where EVs became better.

          And that was probably about 5 years ago, there’s been a lot of significant development in EVs since then.

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            Well, please show me a trustworthy study of the difference between ICE and EV emissions per mile during their lifetime. The ones I’ve read always say “in their lifetime”, but they don’t take into account EV batteries need changing after about 10 years … And batteries are as we know the “big bad” of EVs. The absolutely only true comparison would be all emissions from all sources spread out over either per mile or per year. A combustion car can easily last 20 years, which isn’t really a fair comparison to the 10 years.

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              11 months ago

              Hey you made the claim in the first place, you have the burden proof. Don’t attempt to shift it.

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                Well I claimed that I’ve not seen a study that accounts for all the different attributes at once. So there’s really nothing for me to provide?

                But if you really need it, MIT did a study in 2019 and they explicitly (in about 2 sentences) declare that they don’t take into account battery lifetime, capacity degradation over time, battery efficiency’s sensitivity to cold, the problem with disposing of depleted batteries. According to their study an EV has about 55% of the emissions of a traditional ICE of comparable size, not accounting for the aforementioned details, nor the fact that EVs replace batteries. I.e. they assume one set of batteries for the entire lifespan.

                Now, I might very well be wrong. And I probably am (judging from the down vote bombing). But I just want to see a thorough study of both types of vehicles with everything taken into account from basically drawing board to junkyard.

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                This article, and everying about this subject, presumes EV is better than ICE. That’s the positive claim.

                Show me the math, the studies. If it holds true, this should be easy. And, it would end the debate.

                Data trumps. If the research is so overwhelmingly in favor of EVs, let’s publish that info everywhere for people to read, study, analyze. Lots easier to convince people with the information out there, warts and all.

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                  And, it would end the debate.

                  No, you’d hemm and haw and avoid the problem. We’ve been here before.

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              Conventional ICE can last 30 years, with engine and trans rebuild, which is trivial from a materials standpoint.

              We have multiple 30 year old ICE vehicles that still get 30mpg, have air conditioning and unlimited heat.

              EV will never compete with that unless we find new ways to make batteries.

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    11 months ago

    It’s because the Liberals are about to lose badly because their policies are not sustainable.

    People need home heating, transportation, food, and housing to not die. Those aren’t luxuries.