I don’t think yt-dlp+mpv changed much…
That’s a lot of effort when you can just freetube.
Everyone has their preferred way, innit.
It looks exactly the same just a little different skin
yay browser plugins
new coke problems
Oh god…I still don’t understand how coke came out of that fiasco ahead of pepsi. Hell, I thought R.C. Cola would lap them.
What a great day to be a grayjay user lol
In their defense, I’m not sure I have ever seen a major UI redesign of some piece of software that the users of that software actually liked, at least at first. Inertia and muscle memory are powerful things.
exactly one comes to mind: blender
How is that in their defense?? You reveal them for the gross imcompetents that, and almost all developpers are.
If foreign strangers impose changes on my motor cortex then my prescription is to give them flamethrower enemas.
Stop it, just stop it! Or else!
How very luddite of you
luddites were not anti progress, they were pro workers rights. today’s usage of the word is insulting to their work.
LOL, nailed it.
I’m still bitter about browsers removing backspace for previous page. How was that hard to maintain?!
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1336330
Is there a way to restore backspace button function in the newest version of Firefox, so when pressing it the previous page opened?
This function was very helpful for me!
To prevent user data loss when filling out forms, we’ve disabled the Backspace key as a navigation shortcut for the back navigation button. To re-enable the Backspace keyboard shortcut, you can change the about:config preference browser.backspace_action to 0. You can also use the recommended Alt + Left arrow (Command + Left arrow on Mac) shortcut instead.
I understand the reasoning, but I really wish Firefox had configurable keyboard shortcuts.
heck, everything should have configurable shortcuts. It’s an accessibility feature with an obvious curb cut effect.
Please add your voice to these discussions
https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/hotkeys-yes-please/m-p/86441/
https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/customizable-hotkeys/idc-p/85695/
NICE! Now I’ve lost my muscle memory for that key, but I’m back (heh) baby!
The better UX could have been making this a regular option, and (by default) showing a warning dialogue if using backspace to navigate would clear out a form.
Haven’t done much web UI, but I’m guessing that are too many way to skin the “form” cat to account for.
In any case, first time I’ve read any reasoning on removing it. Chrome killed it long ago and I was using an extension to re-enable it. Probably could have done as I just did in Firefox, fiddle with the config.
People hate two things the most: things changing and things staying the same.
Hence the reason why you make small gradual improvements over a long time. YT has been around a long time, and Google should know better.
Well the old Google development company would know better, the new Google advertising agency doesn’t give a shit
the new design looks like it came from ten years ago
Looks like they just adopted material you design. It’s a ‘whatever’ change for me.
ugh, this is so much worse. takes up more space, is more distracting.
I want to be able to skip around in videos and not have the screen covered by ugly pill buttons
At least it’s not covered by a dark shade now. 👍 I’m initially for this change. Good to see an iteration. Let’s see how it goes.
At least it’s not covered by a dark shade now.
Why does that matter? It looked fine.
It was literally my favorite design of online video player, and I remember enabling it back in the day when it was still an experimental feature.
Yeah. It also looks like the buttons might light up on hover, but they already basically do that so that’s only a very small plus. I too remember being annoyed about not seeing content behind the shade properly.
YouTube can do whatever they want, you think that give a damn about the people? Noooopppppeeeee
And you think people will do anything more than just bitch about it? Noooopppppeeeee
Viewers can’t do shit but watch where the creators are. Up to creators to organize. I see tubers bitching about payment and copyright. Can cry me a river, if they only offer videos on a single platform.
I was perfectly fine with YouTube before monetization.
Yes we can. Third party front ends exist for yt and there are other (admittedly not as polished) alternatives for the entire platform. When enough viewers use them, it will force the hands of the posters to use other, less abusive avenues (maybe in addition to yt). I’m fine with monetization, but not when it degrades my experience. There are better ways. Yt isn’t the only one, nor is it the first. It’s just the most popular currently.
Youtube 3rd party apps do nothing but deal with privacy issues and still rely on YouTube infra which means also dealing with the censorship and copyright systems. Meanwhile you’re just seen as a leech, including by creators since they get no ad rev from you watching. I adblock too, so that includes myself.
What are the viewers watching on alternative platforms with no video creators besides crypto bros and political extremists too edgy for YouTube?
Realistically I don’t see anything happening besides the usual tried and true method now:
They self own their own website so hard with repeat scandals until an exodus happens and hope it’s your new decentralized platform instead of another corpo centralized platform… which is most likely because the way I see it done is with big bags of money and contracts with creators.
YouTube has a pretty strong hold because video hosting and streaming is extremely expensive. That’s why most platforms have strict file limits for them. In the pre-Google days of YouTube, most accounts could only upload <15 minute videos, and that limitation is still in place if you have an unverified account.
I don’t see how we’ll get any alternative to YouTube unless it comes from another large corporation, though I’d love to be proven wrong in that.
With recent events, yeeeeeeep. More and more people are protesting with their wallets. Either google getting told to break off companies and/or sell them (e.g. Chrome), they’re going to make some crazy moves for your dollar and that will trigger the peak of the outcry and you’ll see it happen. It’s not a noppppe or yepppp situation, it’s “when”. Better now than later.
I’m not paying a dime for Google or YouTube. (I know, I’m the product.) So how am I to vote with my wallet? Happy to stay on YouTube until they block my ad-blocker, then I’ll look around.
Happy to stay on YouTube until they block my ad-blocker, then I’ll look around.
They do block
yt-dlpfrom downloading at least some account-and-login-required-to-view content now, which wasn’t historically the case, so they are slowly cracking down to some degree.
You’re not wrong. But it won’t happen because of this change, and it’s not going to happen tomorrow. So, as of now, they’re just complaining. I say ‘they’, because I left yt when they started video ads. I didn’t mind the banners, but the unskippable video disruptions were what broke my camel’s back (some of the early ones, if you recall, controlled your volume levels and turned themselves up). You’re right, eventually, everyone will hit a breaking point, but if the 60-120s unskippable video ads weren’t that point, this simple UI change won’t be that for the vast majority of users.
Oh, I just block those.
And while that’s possible for now, it won’t be for much longer, based on the A/B testing yt has been doing. We’re giving them too much power and relying on tools to bypass the stuff we don’t like, but those tools have their days numbered, regrettably.
Is it really a decade old? Feels like they redesign it every three years.
Redesigning familiar UIs is a great way to give elderly, neuroatypical, and/or computer illiterate people a hard time.
neuroatypical
I propose we start calling normies “neuroadiverse.”
haha. My bad, sorry. I think people used to say this but the language changed. I’ll fix it.
I hate to be that guy, but it’s neurodivergent. :) neurodiverse is another thing. Everyone is diverse but not everyone is divergent.
Ah! Thank you again! Honestly in my mind I was thinking that “neurodiverse” didn’t make any sense. Okay now I’m interested to see what the next ‘that guy’ is going to say :)
You’re right, I never knew there was a difference. Fixed!
It looks like the status bars window manager users tend to customize
I’m not defending google here, but I’m sure a decent chunk of the complaints are just bitching because “change bad!”
I haven’t seen the change yet and I’m sure there are legitimate complaints as well, but us online folk tend to detest even the smallest changes and go a bit overboard in our complaining sometimes.
The article has pics if you want a preview
Thanks, but it won’t really affect me. I only use
Freetubewhen I want to access YoutubeI use Freetube, but it’s currently not playing any videos for me.
Always use the up-to-date version.
Whenever there’s consistent playback issues there’s usually an update on the horizon. Just have to be patient.
ETA: I’m watching videos on
Freetuberight now. It’s working just fine.I have 3 PCs running endeavouros, the other 2 updated freetube fine, but my main one has issues, even after uninstalling/reinstalling/updating to beta. I can open videos externally with mpv, but nothing will play on freetube itself.
Seems fine.
Looks fine, bahaves poorly
bahaves poorly
How?
As long as I can still use the J/K/L keys to play/pause and scrub, I see no issues here. People bitching just to bitch.
That said, I do not enjoy the new “everything is bigger” view on YouTube’s home page that was clearly designed for mobile. But that can be fixed easily, so it’s a non-issue.
Looks like UI from like 2005 lol.
What’s wrong with it?
It looks quite nice actually
“you can no longer hover on the volume slider and scroll or even use the up/down keys to adjust the audio”
That, for sure, is one of the most garbage changes imaginable.
Someone conciously had to go out of their way to remove functionality there.
Maybe there’s a reason for it, but I still think it’s a shit change.
Speaking as a software dev, that’s probably not the case. They probably started completely from scratch and so the inclusion of features depends on reimplementing them on the new platform. It could be as simple as not being ready yet or maybe stats show them that so few people use the feature that they don’t find it worth reimplementing it.
I’m not a software dev, but that’s what I was thinking when I said maybe there’s a reason for it. I still feel like it’s a shit change, but that’s because I use the function.
You could do that before?
The only legitimate complaint I have is I use a 4k monitor at 150% scaling. YouTube, in its design genius, decided that it should show me three videos per row, at like half the screen.
Thankfully with Google I was able to find something that helps
Honestly thank you for posting that link. I thought i had gone crazy thinking that i had only now just noticed the shit UX of 3 videos per row
This ain’t a problem with PipePipe
Is it changed for get the transcript?
