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How are deliveries going to work, exactly? If I order a computer, what, I can’t have it anymore because some dumb ecofash said so? And before you go all “hurr durr go 2 ze store” I can’t, I WFH, as should everyone who can, in part - to save the environment.
How am I meant to fuck off from work for an hour to go to the store? Even if grocery stores sold electronics which they don’t, everything closes at 6PM latest. On Saturdays it’s 3PM, even if I could carry enough to shop for an entire week ahead on my back.
That comment is a bad take to be sure, but it isn’t really about eliminating every vehicle in existence. We’d still need individual vehicles to serve for delivery and emergency services, as well as a bunch of other stuff.
The main thought is just that it’s a bit silly to have half the population driving a two tonne vehicle to the grocery store. There’s already communities where golf carts are used instead of cars.
The whole concept of ripping out every road and installing solar tramways is just as much a nonsensical extreme not worth taking seriously as ‘what do I do if I order a computer and I work from home’. I get your use of the example though, it is the equivalent counterpoint.
I mean, I don’t think my example is an extreme, like I work from home every single day and have always done so, there are no longer stores around me that sells any electronics, and as I don’t drive, I get it delivered, which is the primary and most of the time the only way of buying anything that isn’t groceries for me these days.
If anything my example is an extremely down to earth grass-touch-core argument built off explicitly literally what my life is in the most literal sense wholly about the basic material realities of it, and it highlights the problems with their their absolutist internet-extremist-silliness-core-ass rhetoric. I don’t get in any way how it’s “extreme” or “equivalent” to the other user’s batshit insane propositions.
Are you one of those “everything is equivalent both sides” type people?
Are you implying I in any way disagree with the actual rhetoric of “let’s have less car-centric infrastructure?” Because I don’t and I never stated that. Moreover I do agree with you though, I don’t drive and I hate cars anyway. I just don’t like that user’s rhetoric because it smells like degrowth ecofash type rhetoric, which is extremely harmful and leads to NIMBYism and as such worsening material conditions and issues like homelessness and poverty traps and enriches landlords.
Environment good because it makes things for people better, not as a thing unto itself. On that basis and only on that basis with that reasoning as the guiding and completely overriding principle - I agree, fuck cars. 👍
How are deliveries going to work, exactly? If I order a computer, what, I can’t have it anymore because some dumb ecofash said so? And before you go all “hurr durr go 2 ze store” I can’t, I WFH, as should everyone who can, in part - to save the environment.
I think I get the point you were originally going for, but this part is unhinged. You can’t go to a store because you work from home? What??
How am I meant to fuck off from work for an hour to go to the store? Even if grocery stores sold electronics which they don’t, everything closes at 6PM latest. On Saturdays it’s 3PM, even if I could carry enough to shop for an entire week ahead on my back.
That comment is a bad take to be sure, but it isn’t really about eliminating every vehicle in existence. We’d still need individual vehicles to serve for delivery and emergency services, as well as a bunch of other stuff.
The main thought is just that it’s a bit silly to have half the population driving a two tonne vehicle to the grocery store. There’s already communities where golf carts are used instead of cars.
The whole concept of ripping out every road and installing solar tramways is just as much a nonsensical extreme not worth taking seriously as ‘what do I do if I order a computer and I work from home’. I get your use of the example though, it is the equivalent counterpoint.
I mean, I don’t think my example is an extreme, like I work from home every single day and have always done so, there are no longer stores around me that sells any electronics, and as I don’t drive, I get it delivered, which is the primary and most of the time the only way of buying anything that isn’t groceries for me these days.
If anything my example is an extremely down to earth grass-touch-core argument built off explicitly literally what my life is in the most literal sense wholly about the basic material realities of it, and it highlights the problems with their their absolutist internet-extremist-silliness-core-ass rhetoric. I don’t get in any way how it’s “extreme” or “equivalent” to the other user’s batshit insane propositions.
Are you one of those “everything is equivalent both sides” type people?
Are you implying I in any way disagree with the actual rhetoric of “let’s have less car-centric infrastructure?” Because I don’t and I never stated that. Moreover I do agree with you though, I don’t drive and I hate cars anyway. I just don’t like that user’s rhetoric because it smells like degrowth ecofash type rhetoric, which is extremely harmful and leads to NIMBYism and as such worsening material conditions and issues like homelessness and poverty traps and enriches landlords.
Environment good because it makes things for people better, not as a thing unto itself. On that basis and only on that basis with that reasoning as the guiding and completely overriding principle - I agree, fuck cars. 👍