OH NO anyway.
The actual oh no is the amount of ewaste this will create as people buy completely new systems as they think that’s their only option
One man’s ewaste is another man’s etreasure.
Sure, but only a fraction will be saved. It’s criminal how much ewaste Apple and Microsoft are responsible for. That’s what happens when people are taught that profits can only increase year on year.
Maybe this will convince more people to switch to linux.
That’s not a guarantee on the Linux world either, but at least you do have the option of recompiling your distro to not use those options.
There’s talks from some distros to start dropping support for such old CPUs because it’s holding back newer CPUs that could run even faster by using those instructions.
Is it really that hard to include a fallback though? Obviously there’s a way to collect the information without that flag. I suppose if you didn’t want to take a performance hitting checking the flag all the time it could become a compile option (I would think anyone running that old of hardware would be willing to learn how to compile the kernel anyway), but there should be options available to keep the support available some how?
That’s pretty much exactly how it works already. You compile with
-march=x86-64-v4and it’ll use SSE and AVX all over the place.glibc does the runtime thing, but only once on application startup where the dynamic linker will link the version of the function optimized for your CPU. But it’s a manual process on glibc’s part, the variants are written by hand.
Not every project cares enough to do it dynamically like that and it would be a nightmare that way.
The fallback is, recompile with
-march=x86-64which will only use the base set of instructions. Or-march=i486if you want to run on absolutely ancient hardware.
Just ordered a system76 laptop, can’t wait to use it!
People on the fence may be convinced. Most will just buy new computers.
I’ll be sure to inform my whole company and I am sure they will be on board
Don’t you wish… 😜
Could be. If you’re running a core 2 duo I am fairly certain Linux will run markedly faster than Windows 10+…
I actually still have some old servers with chips from that period, one of them is still being used as my firewall but until last year I was using others to run multiple VMs for email and web sites. Not as power-efficient but they do still work.
With the work that Valve is doing on Wine, and Proton, it’s really becoming easier and easier to justify the switch.
Only pita setback is things like fortnite and other multi-player games insisting on only using anticheat software that isn’t Linux compatible.
I’m okay with this. I don’t support those publishers anyways. People should stop supporting them altogether.
With the work that Valve is doing on Wine, and Proton, it’s really becoming easier and easier to justify the
switchdeck.FTFY
Almost all I play on now.
Tried getting PCVR working with the Quest 2, unfortunately support is still a hot mess and leaves the system with a super janky flood of audio devices, in addition to legendary stutters that make it unplayable. Win11 still better for VR.
Issue is, a lot of people still using Windows, and Linux pro-audio is still questionable at best (lack of drivers, etc.).
Also there’s lots of industry tools where you can’t really use anything but Windows. Even if you could technically make it work, it isn’t a good idea because of how critical the system you’re interfacing with is.
I don’t think the venn diagram for people relying on pro-audio and using 20 year old computers has a large overlap.
It’s really unfortunate that some people still rely on Windows for their computing. There are better, more respectful alternatives but Microsoft’s stranglehold causes problems switching.
https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Freedom_Ladder
This page is a work in progress but if you scroll down you’ll see some rough guidelines on how to get off of proprietary software, eventually Windows, one step at a time.
Free/Libre/Open Source software is guaranteed to be supported by GNU/Linux, and it also has many other perks.
My problem is I pretty much only use my PC for games. I don’t want only ~60% of what’s out there, I want to be able to run whatever game I want as it’s literally all I use the device for…
I hate Microsuck but they have a stranglehold on that part of the market :(
At this point, Linux game compatibility is much better than 60%. More like 99%
More like 99.5% tbh
Sudo switch to linux
I do use Windows for a lot of specific programs, but this behavior is really pushing me to Linux and to find alternatives to the software I use.
It’s not working because W11 is using a CPU instruction that doesn’t exist in older processors.
And by older, I don’t mean Pre-Zen or Intel 5XXX… I mean OG AMD Athlon and Intel Core 2 Duo. If you’re trying to run on a CPU from 2008, that’s on you. These were never supported - hence the title.
The only reason this was discovered was because some YTers make videos of running W10/11 on super old computers.
With all due respect, that sounds very much like something unsupported would do.
Almost like I still have no reason to get a secure boot machine!
And again, install Linux, get rid of Microsoft trash
Itt: Use Linux Spam. This is not feasible for most users. Not all applicatopns are posted to Linux and some explicitly do not work. In particular for people that play games socially this just does not work. That being said they are unaffected by this change.
Lol. Every Windows article gets spammed to death with yOu ShoUlD uSe LiNuX.
Post a picture of shit on your carpet, get mad when people say “You should clean that up.” The big brain am winning again.
Seriously, it’s all you see on these posts. I’m not against people advocating for it, but it’s getting annoying.
lol
Seems like this is a constant spam on Lemmy and it’s starting to drive me away from the platform. So much Linux spam.
The Linux proselytizing combined with the rabid impractical political hive mind have combined to slowly take my usage of Lemmy from “increasing and replacing Reddit time” to “flattened out, going back to Reddit a bit” and now it’s moving solidly into the territory of “definitely using and visiting Lemmy less, spending more time back on Reddit”.
This platform has so much potential, but the community sucks. Which is saying something, given that the chief comparison is the reddit community.
I’m sure it wouldn’t be too hard to make something that filtered out all posts/comments containing the word “Linux”, what software do you use to interact with Lemmy?
Exclusively Voyager for Lemmy. I’m also not really interested in making custom tools.
There’s also the problem of that filtering out half of the active content on the platform.
I’ve been trying to switch to linux on my daily driver for years, and every time I come to a critical issue, I can’t find useful help for it anywhere on the web and I give up and try again next year.
And this isn’t a skill issue, I’m a 30 year greybeard IT vet that has administered to linux servers since the late 90s. Linux is simply not ready for daily use by your average computer user, and that’s mainly the fault of its fucktastically fragmented environment designed by insular egotists.
And don’t even get me fucking started on the elitism of people who actually respond to help requests with instructions to read several hundred pages of documents before they’ll even tell you what’s wrong with your question.
What average users would need to convert is access to sympathetic and patient support… what they get is obtuse gatekeepers. People who on the one hand think that everyone should use Linux but on the other hand insist that using it means that you’re hyper intelligent, and by extension requires you to be.
Exactly this, but their argument fails because even hyper intelligent people get shit on by the linux community.
They don’t want new adherents, they want people to recognize their decades of reeking basement skillz.
You just described this entire site.
At this point the only games that don’t work on Linux are games using kernel level anti-cheats, and these are the largest games out there.
If you don’t play any of those games then your game most likely works just fine on Linux.
This is simply not true. I recently tried Linux for gaming after several years because I read that Valve made some great progress. Installed Crusader Kings III and didn’t get Paradox Launcher to run which is necessary for any DLC.
This was literally the first game I installed from my huge library and it simpl didn’t work so I had to do two hours of research, trial and error and reading error logs to conclude that I wasn’t able to solve this problem.
This is the exact reason why I use Windows for gaming. It simply works 99 % of the time. And I don’t have the time to troubleshoot my games all the time.
Play Stellaris and problem solved. It works on Linux through steam. Besides you won’t be stuck within a single primitive planet
more than 99% of the hundreds of games i’ve ran on linux have worked, it sounds like you got unlucky.
By recently you mean this year? The paradox launcher was broken on the steamdeck a year ago, should be working now.
Also iirc that game has a native linux version.
No, not this year but maybe last fall, early winter. The game itself was running fine but without DLC (which neede the launcher to work) was useless to me.
Maybe I have to give it another try but this experience was the worst possible advertisement for “gaming on Linux” 😐
Maybe I have to give it another try but this experience was the worst possible advertisement for “gaming on Linux” 😐
I mean there isn’t much more that can be done, these days that is usually the issue with gaming in linux, either the game has anti cheat which you cannot fix or the launcher of the application changes and you have to wait for it to get fixed.
The good news is that more studios are starting to release native versions of their linux games, so hopefully in the future this isn’t as much of an issue.
Its certainly not as likely to run a game as windows, but I also think you just go INCREDIBLY unlucky with your first attempt at a game. The vast majority of games buyable on Steam can be run at this point out of the box (some might be a bit jank for the Steamdeck though)
This isn’t even true all the time anymore, helldivers 2 has a kernel anti cheat on windows but runs fine under proton!
Obligatory link https://areweanticheatyet.com/
I’m finding out that particularly complex modding can be a bit of a pain as well, but thats a more niche category than gaming in general
(I’m having a TERRIBLE time trying to get Bannerlord Script Extender to work on my Steamdeck)
Let me know, or make a big post if you solve it. I haven’t played Bannerlord since switching to Linux and don’t want to dive into a quagmire quite yet.
I’ll tinker with it more over the weekend, but I’m fairly new to linux myself, so we’ll see if I can figure it out!
I’d suggest Arch Linux, btw. 😜
Just kidding, Debian.
So, we just gotta make people play games in non social ways
If you think about it. Rhel already killed of the use of older CPUs by requiring x86-64-v2 for rhel 9 and up. If you got x86-64-v1 you get a kernel panic and can not even boot the system. Dont get me wrong I love linux and use it anywhere I can.
There is a difference between intel core processors and processors > whatever is ‘needed’ for w11 (10th gen?). Dont get me wrong, im ok with this change. A 2006 pc shouldnt run w11…
No PC should run windows, ever, yet here we are.
shouldnt run imo is wrong. a PC from 2006 is more then capable of running windows 11 without issue. maiby need a bit of a ram upgrade but for some light work is fine. getting all the latest security updates is also a good thing with windows. the choice should be made by the end user if their device is powerful enough to run win11.
Imo it shouldnt run w11, but imo they shouldnt have stuck a eol date on windows 10 either which could have kept those systems alive.
You know -> new systems = w11, old systems = w10, both get security updates, but win11 gets feature updates as well.
They can manage both just fine, yet here we are -_-Also, w10 runs like sheit on older systems. Had to dig on ebay to keep my mom’s pc ( core2duo e7300 ) alive and kicking as 4GB of ram was not enough. It was swapping like mad… Windows 7 was the last good windows… -_-
I think W11 should ideally run fine on a 2006 PC, but I don’t think there’s any reason to expect a computer that old to continue to get support. Still would have been annoyed if they had nixxed booting 4th gen or 6th gen, but that would be my fault for running W11 on devices without official support to begin with.
Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux
So wait, doesn’t the naming for their builds based on the year and whether the first half, or second half, of the year? How would they have a 24H2 if we’re only in February of 2024?
May I ask - why is anyone bothering to install Windows 11 on old hardware in the first place?
Old hardware is better for Linux. Either install Linux or you can get used to having your old hardware be used as a paperweight.
In this context an unsupported cpu would be an i7 7700K for example. Hardly e-waste and can perform quite well…
Those aren’t supported but they’re not affected by this specific change. The latest chips that won’t be able to boot are Core 2 Duo and the Athlon X2 chips that predated AMD Phenom. Old old.
My poor Athlon II x64 6400 isn’t that old 😭
I am actually surprised my nostalgia build still works TBH
I finally upgraded from a 3rd gen i7 to a 6th gen i7. There was no actual performance difference besides my gpu vram getting hotter, I just did it because the motherboard wasn’t as shit. I’m sure the difference between a 6th gen i7 and an 8th gen i7 is equally unnoticeable. I didn’t want to ever boot Windows again anyway.
It’s probably because running such old hardware means your daily usage wouldn’t show much difference between the 2 setups. If you mainly browse the internet or play gpu boumd games, you simply wouldn’t notice a huge difference.
Change that use case to cpu bound games or other cpu intensive tasks and you would likely see a not insignificant difference.
Also newer hardware is more efficient(used to at least), so you should see lower power draw for the same performance or better performance for the same power draw.
So just because you don’t see a difference, it doesn’t mean it’s not there.
Laughs in 3770k just until a few months ago
My 3930k is still alive and kicking. Just need it to hold out until Gen 15.
It also runs Windows 11 just fine.
i7-950 here. I don’t use it every day, but it still runs very smoothly. Even though the memory is a little slow at times
7700K supports popcnt.
Or just… Stay on Windows 10? There’s nothing wrong with it compared to Windows 11 (though Linux is usually a better choice).
Windows 10 sucks as well.
Like seriously, it freaks out when I try right clicking on anything on the left hand panel of Windows Explorer.
And I have to keep restarting periodically, just to use not only my internal disc drive but also my external too.
Windows 10 is just as garbage.
For all it’s shortcomings this sounds more of something on your end and also something quirky that you will any OS really…
Not really.
So you think that what you have described above is something all Windows 10 users deal with?
Definitely really. Your’s is not a widespread case. I have personally never seen the issue and I oversee a network almost exclusively made up of windows 10 machines. I have no love for W10, but this is a you thing.
You can’t even prove that it’s a me-thing. Goes to show how little you actually know. Get off your little armchair and try to demonstrate some level of knowledge.
You are the one claiming to have the issues. I’m saying I have never had them, and over the entire lifecycle of windows 10 and working on hundreds of computers, I have never seen or heard of anyone else having this issue. The proof that it’s a you-thing is that you admitted to having those issues.
I’m not even sure what you mean by, “… and try to demonstrate some level of knowledge.” I didn’t present any information that requires more knowledge than being able to read my comment. My experiences, and based on other comments, other’s experiences, and a cursory Google search show that yea, this is a you-thing and not a widespread Windows 10 thing.
Maybe if you yourself weren’t so unknowledgeable, you’d have been able to fix your unique issues. It’s a bad carpenter that blames his tools.
Because people will click on the YouTube video you make trying it.
I got a new laptop and one of the first things I did was install Windows 10. My colleague has more or less the same laptop and complains how slow it is.
My Microsoft surface pro 8 is a slow piece of shit now. The animation switching between virtual desktops stutters. Any time I do it, the task bar goes blank and the height of it increases a lot before reverting. No I’m not reinstalling it. Talk about a waste of productivity. 10 is not great, but in modern terms it’s the new 7.
My gaming machine has 10 for some select games everything else is done on Linux - even a majority of my gaming.
At this point Microsoft should just be buying me the computer since they make all their money on collecting my data
I’ve got a solution but y’all will not like it🐧
But my anti-cheat :(
I wanna like Linux but I like my games more
Honestly apart from newer COD i dont really miss any of my library but deffo always ways to improve for Linux gaming
The only game that I keep Windows around for is Destiny 2… I know, but it’s the game my closest friends are often playing - but I’ve been playing it less and less so I might actually end up removing Windows completely if the next expansion doesn’t go well.
Now that I have a Steam Deck, I have zero reasons to get into Windows-only games anymore.
Install Linux? Nah, you’ll love it! Just dump that Microsoft trash with the garbage already
You’re not really convincing anyone.
Like 90% of everyone here already uses Linux, and those who do use Windows only use it because they are forced to because of work or some proprietary program that Linux doesn’t currently have.
I use Windows because I prefer it over Linux. I mainly play games on my PC and Windows never gives me any issues. I don’t need to have any compatibility layers and overall there is no hassle.
Linux gaming seems to be always a bit behind with driver support. Last time I tried it there was no HDR and it was a dealbreaker for me. This time I’d expect FSR snd frame gen is not at the same level they are on windows. My work laptop is still Linux, I boot to Linux on my personal computer if I’m doing my own projects. My homelab server is naturally Linux and so is my personal laptop… but I still do basically zero Linux gaming.
