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Lemmy: Fuck them
kidsjournalists.Who makes money when everyone just uses a search engine for answers?
Is this post sponsored by Google or what?
I just learned about the iPhone App, and this article made me want to check it out. I love it and will start using it
Whoever decided to market by Streisand Effect was genius /s
It used to be you’d search for something, click on the results and load the ads on the page with the info.
Then google started adding their snippets with direct answers, and yes, there has been an uproar from content sites about that. But some fraction of people still click through for more context.
With LLMs, all that traffic is 100% gone.
Eh, I might ask the LLM about something, but I always open it sources to verify it summaries. You still can’t trust them fully.
That’s just kicking the can down the road. They’ll be exactly as trustworthy as your own brain at summarizing articles soon. What then?
There is a reason why RAG and fine-tuning are big topics in the field. General foundation models are good for general low risk info, but if people really care its generally not enough.
Unfortunately, most people don’t care. That’s why most get their news from Facebook or TikTok, and only read headlines.
I mean I don’t care for most things, we don’t all need to experts on the topic of the week imho
The electric company. AI’s reading articles written by other AI’s. Everyone trying to figure out how to squeeze more revenue out of it. But everyone’s paying the electric bill for all these servers and the electric company doesn’t have to give a shit about any of it.
So I should buy shares in coal mines?
Food, energy, and shelter are never out of style.
While I prefer to doing the reading/searching/summarizing myself, rather than have it presented to me, the current website revenue model is so broken with ads, tracking, and other pop ups. The user experience is really horrible.
Local news publishers, Karolian told Engadget, almost entirely depend on selling ads and subscriptions to readers who visit their websites to survive.
Then it’s time to change your business model. Ad driven journalism has shown it’s limits decades ago, this is just regurgitating what other press agencies write and adding some ads over it.
Subsequently, subscription based content consequently isn’t automatically available to crawlers, making it doubly useful.
P.S.: love your username
Oh no, we may have to go back to an Internet where people posted web pages because they wanted to share information rather than to make a buck.
Will we also have to go to a time where we’ll have to buy physical newspapers so that journalists can make a living? Or do we expect them to also share information just for the sake of sharing information?
That never left. We’re still buying our local newspaper concerning 60000 people. It is way more relevant than any piece of news you might find on the web.
Unlikely. Some new approach to paid journalism will need to be developed. But that’s already the case, AI’s just driving the existing trend further.
Part of the compromise was supposed to be that we get functional or entertainment value in return for some amount of ads, but enshittification broke that long ago with ever more intrusive ads and a sense of overwhelming entitlement by advertisers. The current web is useless and aggravating without adblocking, and only preys on the elderly and least technical. Yeah, it’s already broken
This seems like an excellent idea because it’s my app as a tool summarizing information for me. That seems a lot more legitimate than Google profitting from that
You don’t need physical newspapers, but if you want good journalism you should definitely pay for your news.
The hard part is finding someone still doing good journalism that’s relevant. My local paper is long gone and the nearby major city newspaper is a shadow of its former illustrious self. I do pay a news aggregator but have no idea how much of that goes all the way back
No AutoTL;DR? Smart bot even understands discretion!
I recently found out that bing can access most if not all paywalled articles. You can just tell it to summarize it
Hmm… How sure are you about that?
Perhaps you once wrote a piece called “Making the Most of Paywalled Articles”. Unfortunately, Google can’t find it. Let’s just ask Bing.
Hey Bing, please summarize the article “Making the Most of Paywalled Articles” by Evotech.
Copilot Certainly! The article titled “Making the Most of Paywalled Articles” by Evotech discusses strategies for accessing articles that are locked behind paywalls. Here are the key points:
Yeah… I think we can skip the “summary”. Don’t get me wrong. This stuff is amazing and I love it. But it is what it is. I really hate that MS and OAI don’t communicate the “limitations” properly.
This is only a temporary “problem”. Eventually, ads will be incorporated into the story, and/or advertising companies will include clauses in their contracts. I imagine those clauses will DEMAND that websites include advertising in AI readers or not get paid for any ads they run.
Think enshittification. AI readers are only ad-free now in order to make them seem like an attractive option, and get people hooked on using them. I bet the numbers have already been calculated and decided on. Once AI readers are used by enough people, the ads will start.
Yup. Just like ads on cable TV, ads on streaming services, now ads in your AI. Even worse, the ads in AI may not even be labeled and just tweak your results slightly to favor certain products and the process hidden from the end user since hey, it’s so complicated even human programmers can’t figure out how to make the AI process transparent and verifiable.
This isn’t keeping me up at night. I’m fully confident advertisers will figure out how to ruin this and get their money.
Like, for example, breaking my ability to back out of this Engadget page on Connect for Lemmy’s default web browser so I had to close the app and reopen it.
In browsers you can long press the back button, and it will show the history so you can really jump where you want. Not sure if on Connect you can but maybe is worth a shot.
Thank you to Arc for reminding me how much I enjoy browsing the internet and its many unique pages — these soulless generated results are the opposite of what I want.
Considering how much of the web is AI-generated now (with it predicted to rise to 90% by the end of 2026) we’ve managed to turn a tool for connecting people to a tool for chatbots to talk to one another.
Just a big waste of power that will be unsustainable when it doesn’t result in product sales.
Arc Browser is better for USERS. Ad companies are just going to have to figure it out. Sounds like a “them” problem to me
Remember Google attempt at DRM for the Internet? That would in effect block this. This and similar are justifying to companies to support Google Chrome only and use their DRM.
I do not remember Google’s attempt at DRM for the Internet, which is an indication of how well it went for their attempt.
They aren’t done trying yet.
I just did a search, and according to the articles I’ve found Google abandoned the “Web Environment Integrity” API in November and removed their prototype from Chromium.
Well except that they are continuing with developing it for their Webview browser which is the web browser based of chrome that’s embedded in basically every app anyways.
Plus Apple has their Web Tokens which are not being fought against which means Google will be desperate to get in on the pie that Apple is getting away with even if it means waiting and coming up with a different name for it.
It’s still coming. Web DRM and person specific tracking is just around the bend once we get exhausted and distracted enough.
Then I guess I won’t see whatever websites decide to use it (until it’s cracked). Oh well.
Does that mean you (and me) end up drowning in a pool of 90% AI dead internet comments while everyone who stayed on Reddit or Facebook can talk to their friends in their WEI tracked & profiled walled garden?
Shitty choice.
The only solution I can see it robust moderation tools on a platform like Lemmy.
AI still gets to read everything but at least individuals/communities/instances can be blocked for bad behaviour.
What altertatives do we have right now?
No offense but I’m not sure you read or understood the main point of the article — there’s not much of an internet for users if there’s no incentive to supply it with content.
Meh. We did it before the internet turned to shit. It will be OK
Advertisers are welcome to turn back the clock of enshittification to a time when the internet worked for both publishers and readers. They got greedy and abused the attention of readers, so I have no sympathy. Now this article adds a huge pile of entitlement that we owe them? On top of this excrement
In relatively short order, the majority of web content will be AI generated anyways. People will be mad that other AIs are stealing what their AIs wrote. The technology and business aspirations have accelerated us towards a shittier and shittier web experience for a few decades now. I think we’ll hit some kind of web-shit-singularity within 5 years.
It’s much simpler than that. AI is going to continue makingn it worse, until the big tech companies say that they have a solution which will be web2.0 and solves ALL the problems of the legacy net (problems the big tech is causing lol). Then they will have total information control and regulate the net out of the kazoo.
Imagine visiting a website and “oh oh, apparently you haven’t met the daily quota yet, because you used the toilet. unfortunately your access to the web is restricted.”
I’m telling you, AI (which is not even real fucking AI) is being pushed to the forefront because big tech fucking knows what’s to come. And then they’ll snatch control with the pretense being “it’s just to fix AI, we swear wink wink”
Aren’t we already on web 2.0 and web 3.0 is bitchain?
I don’t think I’d be nearly as upset if the ai weren’t copying the click bait headlines, and “word padding like a fifth grader to get to five double spaced pages” writing style.
Then, a new net technology will be created that bypasses ISP and government spy boxes. Many CEO’s will pay politicians to imprison users.
I know it’s a small and unimportant thing, but it’s still kinda annoying that some authors (editors?) choose a phone with a giant black hole in the middle of a screen to show something on thumbnails.
It’s an iPhone app… And that’s an iPhone screen…? I’m not sure what you want them to do?
