- cross-posted to:
- environment@beehaw.org
- cross-posted to:
- environment@beehaw.org
These States Are Basically Begging You to Get a Heat Pump::You need a heat pump, ASAP. Now nine states are teaming up to accelerate the adoption of this climate superhero.
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I wonder why Washington is not on that list
They should be, smh. We should start writing to our reps.
Excellent… subsidize, and standardize regulations. This allows for upscale of production and investment in further improvement. This will make them better and cheaper… hooray!
MA might want you to, but has a problem. Just pre COVID, I had a quote, it was high, but not terrible, just well out of our range. We had a follow up quote after Massachusetts announced 10-15k more in rebates, and the price went up by about 15-20k. I get that some of this is that things are more expensive, but it also means that the incentives are not being seen by people, just installers. It’s frustrating to say the least.
Did you get multiple quotes? When we had our HVAC system replaced, the quotes we got varied by almost $10K. The lowest bid was from the one who had the best online reputation and they did great work
Same, I got heat pumps installed in 2020 and the prices varies a ridiculous amount, pretty sure we were quoted anywhere from $30-50k for 7 indoor units and 3 outdoor stations. Ended up going with one of the cheaper options and after the MA HEAT loan (max $25k 0% 7yr one time use per family per house) pretty much all of the up front cost was refunded by tax season
This was from the same company, oddly enough. A mass save partner yada yada. (The first quote was at the same time they came for insulation installing)
I got our oil removed and heat pumps installed through masssave last fall.
I ended up getting 5 quotes that varies from $20k-50k. Two of the installers wanted to do ducted systems and eventually we ended up around $30k with a good installer.
We paid the 10k as a down payment in November. Got the 0% interest loan about $150/month. We just got the rebate check in the mail. And 150/mo plus the new electric rate is still cheaper than oil. Long term I’m hoping it will pay for itself.
Mind telling me the installer you used? I’m in Watertown and looking to do this.
I think what they meant is that you should farm around for quotes. Another place may not be trying to rip you off
That’s fair, we’re not saving for the change, we want them for the air conditioning, our heat is new enough in not looking to fully replace it
Wish they would have linked to the specific programs available
Getting a heat pump has been on my want-to-do list for years. But even though my furnace is aging, it still works so it’s been hard to justify while there were other issues going on. Accelerating adoption is only going to make the process easier when the time comes.
We had one installed this past summer. Went with a top of the line Bryant and I don’t have any regrets. This winter natural gas prices shot up and even on below freezing days, the heat pump just does its job at keeping the house a consistent temp.
By 2040, these states—California, Colorado, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Rhode Island—are aiming for 90 percent of those shipments to be heat pumps.
The coalition’s announcement comes just months after the federal government doubled down on its own commitment to heat pumps, announcing $169 million in funding for the domestic production of the systems.
These are the states, and the article doesn’t seem to go into detail on what the actual programs are in each state. However, i only skimmed the article
For anyone like me wondering why NE states like Maine and Massachusetts are pushing them despite their cooler temps (and heat pumps poorer performance in said temps) it’s down to the lack of existing Natural Gas infrastructure and that heat pumps are still significantly more efficient and emissions friendly than the region’s legacy heating method: oil furnaces.
NGL hating in heat pumps is like hating on EVs because they need charged longer than it takes to fill up a tank of gas. Yes the use case is not exactly 1:1 to the existing system, but it’s an improvement for energy use and emissions overall. (Not saying you’re hating on heat pumps, just a general observation)
Yep I wasn’t hating on heat pumps. I was just curious why those states decided to go with HP rather than two stage gas furnaces, at that latitude band furnaces have a slightly higher efficiency(~3-4%), a much better price point (5-10k difference just for the equipment), and only a little worse emissions (given the local power generation facilities). The lack of existing natural gas infrastructure combined with the required upgrade to the electrical grid to accommodate EVs explains why incentivizing HPs is much more attractive to the state govts in the NE US. There is also the possibility that installing a hydronic system will be better for some of the older boiler system homes and HPs can be used for both hydronic and central air systems.
That said the existing NG system in the midwest means there probably won’t be as high a rate of adoption in states like ND, SD, MN, MT, and ID, even before you consider the political landscape.
the federal government doubled down on its own commitment to heat pumps, announcing $169 million in funding
I am grateful the government is investing in this. I would like to see them even more, bilions
Yep. And that’s fine where I live because a lot of homes still run on oil heat, gas if you’re lucky.
Love to get a full heat pump system, but last quote we got was ~$30k before a $5k rebate from the state. Way out of our range. Would take a lot of years to get that back in savings vs the oil heat we have now. I really don’t like oil for a lot of reasons, environmental being own of them.
If they gave me an incentive that would be nice. As it stands, gas is cheaper than electric where we are at in California. It would take a huge amount of money for us to switch but I would like to.
You’re also completely at the whims of your power company for your heating/cooling needs. Here in Australia they privatised the electricity companies and our power bills are astronomical unless you are one of the fortunate few who own their own house and can install solar.
