I saw a post that talked about racism towards people and when I talked about it the response I got was very heated and a person even called lemmy.world a community of ‘hitlerites’
I have been around for a week or so and this is my first time seeing such explicit vulgar reaction towards another community, is this a one-off or should I block hexbear?
I would ask them in their Q&A comm
Hexbear is cool. I’ve learned a lot from them. the thing is, some of the people there can be a little brash at first. I recommend looking around the instance a bit before you decide on blocking it. some of them can be a little brash but they mean well.
This is an extremely reasonable take, not sure why anyone would downvote you for it other than tribalism.
if anything, they are just proving them right about their instance. but it is what it is, there will always be tribalism on the internet and in the world.
You found it, the answer is tribalism.
Hexbear has proven so many times to be completely unreasonable that it isn’t worth wading through that much toxicity to find the good parts.
I have not had that experience, at all. If anything I’ve had that experience on .world.
I’m sorry if I sound tone deaf I am new to Lemmy .~.
I nearly left lemmy because of Hexbear. Learning they could be blocked salvaged the platform for me. It’s not just you - they are pretty widely reviled.
Welcome to lemmy! For the most part lemmy is nice place to be. You will still we the occasional crazy though. Defiantly not something you see all the time. If you find a user, community or instance popping off a bunch of crazy the best thing to do is block them. You won’t be missing anything without them.
Howdy! Can confirm that most people and places I’ve seen on the Fediverse are lovely… Except Hexbear. They’re one wall of cognitive dissonance away from being right wingers and constantly complaining that liberals are all lying to themselves about their liberalism. That THEY are the TRUE left wingers.
Weird, because I find them also lovely.
You likely have never been a target of their vitriol. Consider yourself lucky.
Welcome to
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Welcome and there is zero need to apologize. Some people (and group of them) can be a real pain. Once you have learned how to filter them out, it’s a nice place with nice people. There is no shame in blocking them, a bit like I would not let someone enter my home so they shout their nonsense into my ears, or make their mess on the carpet.
Once again, welcome ;)
Hexbear is a different instance where its users are basically a group of hard communism supporters. If you disliked their behavior, feel free to block their instance.
They are not only hard communists, they have 0 interest in propagating their ideas, they only insult and despise everyone who is not 100% in agreement with them. In the best case, and I don’t think it is, it is an endogamous community only for themselves, the opposite of what a federated social network is
“tankie” here, dont really support them, they are the reason the left cant unify and are constantly infighting
Their entire stated purpose of federating is to “dunk” on people and “dismantle Western propaganda”. They’re not interested in participating in good faith and never have been. They don’t see anyone who disagrees with them as a person, just something to yell at and harass.
I would block hexbear. I’ve done it server-wide. They are mostly very loud trolls pretending to be communists. Some could be actual communists, but I don’t buy anyone actually wanting to be in such a toxic environment and believe what they claim to believe.
They’re “communist” if you believe that supporting the CCP is “communist” and that the usa is “capitalist”. It’s all just political tribalism to them, that’s why they are also anti-Liberal and at times very anti-Democracy. The actual definitions of any of these political identities is completely lost on them, all of these words only mean west or east to them.
To add to your comment: Blocking the instance at user level is pointless, it only blocks their posts,not their users, so you still have to deal with their bullshit and they post their propaganda at every instance that tolerates them so it makes its way to those who blocked it anyway.
The only solution is to defederate.User blocking also doesn’t block votes so they’ll also still influence your feed.
Hexbear, lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml are the “Tankie Triad”.
Hexbear is the worst most extreme of them and lemmy.ml is the least which is why they’ve managed to avoid getting defederated from world (either that or because they’re like the third largest instance behind only .world and SJW)
Hexbear is pretty widely defederated
All I heard of before is that lemmygrad is more “extreme” than hexbear? My instance defederates from lemmygrad, but federates with hexbear, I don’t know the exact reason for this though.
I was in an instance that was like that, but since they even made a post justifying their stance on keeping the federation with hex, I just jumped ship.
Not having to deal with ml, grad and hex is so much better.It’s been a while since my instance was federated with either of them, but I remember grad being more extreme in their beliefs and hb being more… annoying. The hb folks did a ton of brigading and picking fights. Maybe they chilled out since then, but the .world threads were exhausting to read with hbs being assholes in every single one, including things that had absolutely nothing to do with politics.
I think it’s the other way round. They share similiar politics but lemmygrad users don’t have the same abrasive commenting style.
Huh yea that’s kinda weird, but it’s also fairly subjective or perhaps your instance admins “straw that broke the camels back” just happened to be coming from lemmygrad at the time. But still weird to defederate from one and not the other regardless of which one was first lol
Hexbear is pretty widely defederated
Lemmygrad too I guess
A lot of .ml users and communities are there just because it was the only big instance much earlier on. I’m in no way a tankie but still use .ml a lot (a community I run is on there) because it was the first one I made and i’m too lazy to look into new instances or switch.
yeah the other two I definately agree with, but lemmy.ml is mostly tame.
It’s all under the surface, the admins, mods and a good portion of users have just as extreme viewpoints, but tend to walk the line quite carefully to avoid being defederated by .world
That’s just not true. They don’t give a shit about .world. They don’t even have to give a shit about .world. They’ve got plenty of traffic to manage without .world. It’s just stupid to do so over some squabbles
Plus, everyone secretly loves the animosity. Like how the Dutch are always making fun of Belgians, but if anyone else ever says anything bad about Belgians, they’ll get a kick in the nuts from the Dutch.
That’s just not true. They don’t give a shit about .world. They don’t even have to give a shit about .world. They’ve got plenty of traffic to manage without .world.
You must not have spent much time over there, go into any .ml threads where .world gets brought up and they’ll shit all over us for being a CIA front, US State Department Mouthpiece, nothin but bots, “Reddit 2.0”, “fake leftist”, front for the US military, to stupid to realize we’re just digesting propaganda and on and on and on
But yet, they won’t defederate and they get awfully mad whenever someone does bring up .world defederating from them.
So I ask you, if they’re so full with traffic to manage, then why do they not defederate from .world?
My guess is as good as any, maybe it’s because tankies need someone to tank against. Can’t be a racist without other races around. Can’t be a misogynist with women around. Can’t be a transphobe without trans people around. Can’t be a .ml tankie without .world people around.
About the traffic, they (used to be or are they still?) the default instance on join-lemmy.org . Thats how a lot of people joined that instance and that’s how they have gained a lot of users and general communities. Maybe that has changed though, I really don’t care enough to actually check current metrics.
is it possible for lemmy user to “federate them in”/include in single feed?
Fuck stop appearing in my frontpage
Hexbear.net, lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad.ml have a lot of extreme leftists who have very wild takes that could be mistaken for right wing takes.
I personally don’t recommend blocking them because outside of political threads they make up a lot of the content/memes/discussions, but up to you if you want to try that out.
God forbid any of these genocidal white supremacists calling themselves leftists and parroting 1950’s red scare propaganda self select themselves out of our hair
I mean I think I gave a pretty balanced overview of the information
I’ve blocked all 3, I see comments from them but not posts.
Most of the communities are are slowly moving away anyway, given how many users don’t want to engage with the instance at all.
There’s honestly a lot of high quality posts on lemmy.ml. Maybe some from Hexbear if you’re into leftist niches like veganism
Sure, but that content could go elsewhere where you can actually criticize China without catching a ban. And if those communities choose not to, that’s their problem when more and more people decide to block their instance as not worth dealing with.
they make up a lot of the content/memes/discussions
Shouldn’t be “rewarding” them with content/activity, they only have like 2 or 3 communities that crack the top 20 in MAUs these days anyways. And they’re all .ml
You either block them and die a liberal or you engage and observe and live long enough to start spreading their agitprop and using your new pronoun “comrade” as you lead the way to glorious revolution.
(Seriously though, they’re just people on a leftist political instance. You’ll get the good, bad, and weird, same as any other place).
Seems this post is being brigaded by hexbear alts fyi
ITT: everyone says they’re bad without giving any examples, telling you what to think instead of letting you form your own conclusions.
A community of adherents of a political ideology which is fringe and marginal, and at the same time responsible for Trump’s victory. Very dangerous individuals.
Yes, you should definitely block Hexbear. They’re a toxic, angry group of people, who have no intention of ever engaging in good faith.
this user was banned from hexbear for saying
cw: genocide denial
“When Israel kills civilians, it’s collateral damage from them going after Hamas. Hamas, however, launched an operation where the entire point was to kill civilians. The two are not comparable.”
And? They murdered around a thousand people in a military attack.
There are no good guys in that conflict.
https://electronicintifada.net/content/how-israel-killed-hundreds-its-own-people-7-october/49216
not surprising you’re doubling down on your support of israels genocide, but hopefully others won’t be fooled by the same propaganda as you.
The Supernova deaths
The rave is often reported to be the largest single site of deaths that took place on 7 October. The UN report said that 364 out of the 3,000 total ravers were “killed either at the site, near Kibbutz Re’im or in adjacent locations.”
But a detailed breakdown of the deaths recently published by The Times of Israel (based on an Israeli TV channel’s investigation) shows that more than 60 percent of this figure actually died outside of the designated grounds of the rave.
Is that saying 364 out of 3,000 were killed, or 3,000 total were killed? It’s not a very well written article.
this is very easy to parse. go back to high school.
You’re a real ray of sunshine today, aren’t you?
This is a good illustration for OP
If blaming the victims of a genocide is okay but being surly to someone who does that isn’t, you belong here and not there.
Wow, not only are you transphobic you’re also ablist too. Infantilizing people for not understanding something right away. Cool, nothing problematic with that at all.
I think it’s pretty ironic that you call others “transphobic” on the basis of them claiming that Hexbear is a trans-positive instance, when in other areas you directly attack trans users’ identity and defend chasers as “allies.”
This is monstrous levels of transphobia. With “allies” like you, who needs transphobes? You do the work of transphobes for them.
Do some self-crit.
0·8 months agoEqual condemnation for unequal sin minimizes the greater and exaggerates the lesser. That ceases to be an answer and becomes a cover for genocidal fascists against a national liberation movement.
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Your username reads like someone making fun of trans people. My guess is you’re transphobic and actively discouraged people from supporting Biden because you wanted Trump to win.
Horrendous take. Fuck off.
Deliberately discounting a transgender person’s identity and accusing them of being transphobic is wildly transphobic. With a moderation history like yours though, it seems this is a pattern, where you pretend to be an ally for xyz group and then accuse people from said group of “faking it” if they disagree with you.
Tankies, mostly. They’re on my blocklist,but managed to avoid it for a disgustingly long time; they do have some good content from time to time, but in the end seeing the repeated vitriol and genocide denialism simply wasn’t worth it.
Yeah I think a lot of Lemmings tried to give them a chance when we first joined, because we are pretty left leaning already so we figured communists couldn’t be that bad. Unfortunately, they’re actually far more moronic and toxic than anyone could possibly imagine.
I used to recommend for people to make up their own mind whether to block them, but I now feel it’s better to block them immediately, because they’re really just the worst kind of people who will do anything to bring others down to their level of misery.
Hmm, I obviously know it’s not cool to use the R-word, but the M-word is also out of bounds now? I will rephrase my comment out of respect for persons of intellectual disability who might happen to come across my comment on Lemmy, while still attempting to convey my feelings about hexbear in an attempt to answer the question posed by OP.
Yeah I think a lot of Lemmings tried to give them a chance when we first joined, because we are pretty left leaning already so we figured communists couldn’t be that bad. Unfortunately, they’re actually far more stupid and toxic than anyone could possibly imagine.
I used to recommend for people to make up their own mind whether to block them, but I now feel it’s better to block them immediately, because they’re really just the worst kind of people who will do anything to bring others down to their level of misery.
If the S-word is also problematic, please provide me some guidance as to how I might describe persons of a certain type without offending anybody. I assume the D-word could be construed as offensive towards certain groups as well. I am asking genuinely, because I have no interest in causing anyone undue distress, but there surely must be a way of using the English language to express meaning precisely, otherwise it wouldn’t be a very useful language.
