As a British lad, I’ve been keeping tabs on the news about this guy and the wide support he’s getting.
With so much support, surely the public will get him out of jail just to spite the bastard rich kids and their CEO baron fathers?
The Man who was shot allowed a massive corporation to dangle its strings over people’s lives, medication being pulled away which is horrifying to me who uses the NHS as my primary medical service for hearing.
What do you think? Will Luigi “The CEO Reaper” Mangione ever get out of prison?
The working class, no matter how much money they pull together, cannot battle the ruling class in this way. He will not be allowed bail if we even tried
You think the poor plebs have any power over the matter? This your first almost incitement of revolution that goes nowhere?
Luigi Mangione is a random person who attacked corporate America. Therefore, he is utterly fucked. Whatever anyone does to help him, ultimately his fate is already sealed.
The capitalists are in charge, but they are also utterly fucked.
The last thing you want to do with a spartacus-type enemy is to make them a martyr. They already fucked up by parading him around with those guards while he looks like the second coming of Christ. Nailing him to the cross is not going to solve any of their problems.
He did the math and decided that one moment of action was worth more to him than it cost. The rich of America need to see that vast wealth inequality leads to more and more people coming to the same conclusion. That’s why they will make sure he is sentenced to death, to let us know what the cost will be. But a life lived in misery is only worth so much, and death is the worst they can do.
The thing though, once a person make this decision, they no longer fear death
That person is very dangerous
Let the self sacrifice on display be a lesson to all of us, on this most blessed birthday of the person who (allegedly) gave their life for all of us.
on the wishful thinking side, biden pardons. also wishful: innocent until proven guilty, and that the evidence was planted.
but yeah, we will just have to wait on how the proceedings go. UHC has already flexed money in subduing luigi awareness merch.
Wishful thinking would be if the killer struck again while Luigi was in jail.
good wishful thinking. very wishful enough!
They won’t have even decided if these are state or federal charges by the time Biden is out of office. And if he’s pardoned on the federal charges, the state can still charge him
Unless I’m missing something, the charges have already been made and he’s given his plea. It’s federal charges (terrorism) and it’s my understanding that the state couldn’t then charge him over the same crime, only other crimes that were significantly different.
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It’s both state and federal charges; the terrorism charge is a state one
I’m basing this 0on the video of his lawyer yesterday, saying that the state and feds are fighting over him like a football. Maybe it’s been resolved since then.
good point about the separation of federal and state charges.
oh well, that’s how far that wishful thinking goes.
I think he’s going to get state charges for murder, that would be the normal thing.
There is an open legal question about what happens if he has done something that could be a crime under both federal and state, because double jeopardy says he can’t be tried twice for the same crime. So if the feds brought charges and then he got pardoned, I don’t think the state can bring relatively identical charges, but apparently this is a question that legal scholars don’t know the answer to, and it would probably end up going to the appeals court if it were to happen.
Of course it’s not going to happen because Biden likes those rich assholes and the timing doesn’t really make sense anyway.
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It’s not double jeopardy to be tried for the same crime in two jurisdictions.
Apparently Biden’s been running on like one cylinder for the last 3 years (who could have guessed) so I guess you’d have to hope his team of DNC operatives would pardon; which will not happen.
They’re mostly just pardoning people who defrauded Medicaid and put kids in to private prisons for kickbacks, while revoking student debt cancellation.
You know, pulling the mask off since nothing matters anymore.
Apparently Biden’s been running on like one cylinder for the last 3 years
All eight cylinders fired just fine when it came to pardoning his crackhead son.
Revoking student loan debt relief was the SCs fault, not Biden’s.
pardoning people who defrauded Medicaid and put kids in to private prisons for kickbacks
He didn’t aim to pardon them specifically. They belonged to a class of offenses he pardoned. Just like he pardoned weed possessors. They were surely scumbags on that list as well.
Thanks for the input. Yeah, DNC is just how DNC rolls.
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Doubt it very much. Bail is for the rich. An example must be made.
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I was half asleep I read Luigi’s mansion.
Luigi’s Mansion: Bailout
Politics aside. The court is not going to grant bail to anyone accused of first degree murder who is a flight risk. And given the current narrative seems to be that he shot a man in NYC and was found several states away I’d say they’d consider him a flight risk.
Thank @samus12345@lem.ee who replied elsewhere:
https://toure.substack.com/p/new-reporting-luigis-hair-is-a-sign
Last I read, he has not requested bail. They wouldn’t let him out, anyway, and he’s smart enough that he knows it–he attacked the ruling class and they want to make an example of him.
I’m fairly certain they set his charges without bail. If so it means no amount of money would allow him out. (For the time until his court cases)
If I’m wrong about that, please let me know someone… Because that’s what I always thought without bail meant
I think you mean to say he allegedly attacked the ruling class. That whole pesky innocent until proven guilty thing, it’s so irritating.
The has yet to prove their case, all we got so far is some vague suggestions of evidence and heavy media narrative weaving
The US is an oligarchy. Your worth as a human is directly tied to your monetary worth, starting at $1M. So no.
But, his family is worth over a 100 million
Deff owner class but the owner class calling the shots here tbh.
Luigi went straight for the king makers here
Making bail is the least of how concerns in there. He will be lucky if he doesn’t get “Epstein’d”.
If his trial starts going his way, he definitely will.
We do have an wild tradition of suicide in this country when people are causing owner class problems
His haircut and shave are signs the other prisoners are sending to the guards that this man is protected and not to fuck with him.
What?
Interesting piece on that. He might not be “protected,” but he was definitely given special treatment. Most prisoners hate the ruling class even more than the average person for obvious reasons, and even average people are cheering him on.
The only resource I can find about this phenomenon is a threads discussion about Luigi. You wouldn’t happen to have an alternate source, would you?
they better hire someone better than the guy who killed Epstein then. Should they fail enough to leave even a scent of foul play I bet the gates will open to many copycats.
nothing does more for a movement than a martyr.
Feel free to crosspost to !AskUSA@discuss.online
It would be a shame if a few people in NYC started posting signs on every corner with a brief description of jury nullification and a QR code with a link to explain it further until the trial is over.
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Rural people hate these guys too. The guys at the mill were hopping right on the “fuck them rich assholes” train talking about egg prices last week when I was buying some animal feed.
Sounds like you want someone else to do all the work :/ in general, if you want change to happen, you have to be willing do something about it. One-sentence suggestions aren’t likely to getting us any closer to educating people about jury nullification 🤦
Yeah let me just go to where this dude is being tried from Texas to post signs. If there is one thing that humans are good at, and has effectively made us the dominating species on the planet, it’s communication. That’s what I’m doing. I am unable to affect that sort of change in that area because its extremely far away. Do you live in NY?
Also from the looks of it, you got butthurt that I laughed at another comment of you backing down from explaining yourself so you decided that you would look at my post history from last week to see if you could do the same.
So, to get into this a little further, do you live in NYC? If so, please post some signs, if you do not, why the fuck are you commenting on this?
Whoa easy there partner I wasn’t trying to make you mad ✋ haha just calm down ok?
Lol alright man
See isn’t that better? No need to get into a pissing fight with some random person on the internet. It’s just not worth it, right?
Are you from NY or not? Or are you going to continue your streak of having opinions you’re not willing to back up?
My guess is that you will while being as childish as possible.
If you don’t like being angry then don’t say shitty things to people on the internet. Play stupid games 🫱
The ruling class doesn’t want him martyred but they want him killed so very much.
My bets are he is given a life sentence with a groomed jury and he is extrajudicially executed in prison by an unknown agent.
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Those same people conveniently refuse to consider murder with a con (pay us now for Healthcare when you inevitably get sick) and and pen (lol we were lying thanks for all the money go die now) to be murder.
what’s funny is that since his motive was based on Brian killing people through executive actions that will come into play for those “murder is murder” people.
If murder is murder, then why wasn’t Brian brought to justice before this unfortunate event? Also, why aren’t his accomplices in UHC not brought to justice today?
He’s still going to jail, he’s going to lose and he knows that…but the case will be streamed and Luigi and his lawyers will pose the message not to the jury, but to the public.
he lost the battle so that we can fight the war.
You got to wait for the trial. Throughout history, but especially this year, we’ve seen many famous trials where the cops blatantly lied about evidence of course in press reports as they often do but also in court on the stand under oath. Just because you heard it doesn’t mean it’s true. Just because someone told you they have evidence of something, doesn’t mean they do.
What is your take then?
I think that health insurance companies are predatory and cause deaths. They are terrible, medical support should not be a for-profit market, and their existence is one of many many indicators of how incredibly broken our society often is.
However, I don’t believe individuals should be legally allowed to take matters into their own hands and execute other citizens. Regardless of their reasoning. If this man can execute the CEO of an insurance company because he believes he was wronged by that company, unfortunately the exact same argument can be used for a student to up and execute their university Dean, or a man of one religion can execute the preacher of another.
Citizens can’t choose when and where it is appropriate to kill each other based on their feelings. That’s lawlessness. As much as I hate, and I mean truly hate, these companies and everything they stand for, you can’t have people just getting shot to death by others and still be a civilized society.
Lawlessness is better than what we have, laws that serve a couple million at everyone else’s, hundreds of million’s expense with no legal recourse.
We get no say in economic policy or regulation, only the how or if to address some of the social issue symptoms of that economy through our legally bribed parties. Arguing over abortion’s legality instead of why productivity per worker has multiplied while the owner class now demands 2 breadwinners in most cases to survive, which is why most abortions happen, not enough to survive. But we don’t legislate the “free” to die in the streets alone market, so the argument becomes forced births or not. The argument should be to fundamentally change what our economy should be oriented to reward like teachers and nurses, and punish like insatiable, sociopathic, antisocial greed and vocations/investments that hurt society for individual profit.
Our system is already worse than lawlessness, our system is laws made by the wealthy (see ALEC) to extract the very lives from the poor for private profit, that the poor must simply suffer to remain lawful. It is effectively one way lawlessness from above. They can kill you with a dictate to their sycophants to deny more claims while sipping expensive bourbon on a beach, or by ignoring an expensive product safety issue, or by lowering inspection standards to save a buck and poisoning baby formula, and you and/or your baby can die quietly now that they have your money. That’s the law here and now.
Makes lawlessness seem pretty attractive given the current intransigent oligarchy killing us for profit legally…
Ok. Just keep in mind that in a system like that, you likely die. I likely die. All of us outside of that “ruling class” suffer way more than they do when people start getting killed.
I disagree that lawlessness is better. Lawlessness is merely a brief period between two political systems. It could be good or bad. You might get fresh Animal Farm revolution, Lord of the Flies, or whatever else. Roll the dice and hope you don’t get snake eyes.
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I think murder is murder but that doesn’t mean that things like self defence aren’t morally justifiable.
Murder is murder in the simple scenario but it gets more complicated when the murderer is not the initial aggressor.
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