The first thing I do when researching a new electronic thing is to search “[brand] home assistant” to see if there is already an integration for their stuff. If not, I usually keep looking.
Just build a bomb and fight back fuck them
So what do we do, all fork the repos and upload the source to archive.org?
That would be illegal, and you should absolutely not do that. Just like you shouldn’t clone the invidious repos just in case (/s)
It may or may not be illegal, they’re just throwing their weight around under the suggestion that it’s illegal. Knowing well that a single dev working on a plugin in their freetime isn’t likely to want to invest in legal proceedings.
Which is even more reason to do the above, to stick it to them.
yeah. just because they say so doesn’t mean that it’s actually illegal. they all always like to throw those legal threats anywhere they see fit.
Streisand Effect this bitch.
Why would it be illegal? A cease and desist is just a fancy letter saying do what we want or else we’ll go crying to a judge. If the original dev hasn’t done anything wrong (I’m not familiar with the project but I’d still say that’s highly likely to be the case) then there’s nothing to worry about. So make all the clones you want, and watch a dumbass company Streisand itself
Yes i know, it is why I am telling you NOT to do it. Nope. Don’t do it. At all.
If I were the dev, I’d want to either comply or get a lawyer, and getting a lawyer is expensive.
I haven’t seen any notice, sounds legal to me.
“Hey! We were gonna charge a subscription for that! Fuck you for doing it first, competition is not allowed.”
Does homeassistant even charge a subscription?
Home assistant does not, but Haier would rather you use their proprietary SmartAir2 app that vacuums up every tiny bit of personal data for resale, and could potentially turn into a subscription service later.
Mind you smartair2 has a 1.4 star rating on the play store if that tells you how well any of their software and devices work lol
Frigidaire’s is just as bad
No, its free an open source, but it out competes their spyware
They do, but only if you want to go through their servers for access outside of your network.
I do it mostly to support the project.
My non-expert take on this:
Haier claims these plugins cause the firm significant financial damage
Don’t care. Competition is not damage.
violate copyright laws
Prove it.
plug-ins developed by you […] that are in violation of our terms of service
The plug-ins never agreed to your ToS. Better sue your customers instead.
Hijacking the comment to say: Fork the shit out of this repo immediately. Fuck Haier.
It is likely costing them more from whatever cloud service their platform is hosted on.
But, that’s on them for not putting locks on their api.
Good news is there is a lot of forks that were made by various users. I have a copy of the source…
Unfortunate news is that development is likely stopping so if they change the API I don’t know if there are any fellas that will come around to fix it…
I bunch of people have forked the project on GitHub and changed the README.
https://github.com/Andre0512/hon/network
https://github.com/thempc/hon/commit/f4169cce29fb5a5d669cad627fd6d66e681a5896
https://github.com/fbanwjdmzoasjdn/hoe/commit/70835712ec71086996d47a22b509629ab14c12dd
https://github.com/RearDoor/hon/commit/db2776b1ce3b86aa3ff1e63ebe34999e2df88800
https://github.com/EvilGremlin/hon/commit/263084b46829e00361a26b7cb186303e17128684
https://github.com/abc123me/hon/commit/b4186ad014d73566019cca3ba7422cb09cde5ec9
https://github.com/mon5termatt/hon/commit/5b40cf6947c95c1ea9b0c5b214be0520c32f829a
https://github.com/cathalferris/fuck_you_haier/commit/d896e02bb6d4b188192a7c60fb7e2f6b17c0a14cThe mistake is forking and hosting it on GitHub. If Haier sends GitHub a DMCA takedown notice, they will comply, and the forks will be deleted too. Use other hosting services for redundancy and keep a local copy.
makes their product easier to use and to be used however we see fit
Haier: You can’t do that!
Anyone know how the plugin developer responded?
Would be dope if the response was ‘Fuck you, prove it’
e. Well, the response was in the article, big disappointment “gotta take down the plugin”.
It’s haier’s responsibility to prove damages
Would you risk going into massive legal debt for project you make no money from? Or would you continue to develop it for yourself and no longer post it publicly.
Again, it’s the pursuers responsibility to prove damages.
Pro se and wait.
And the dev might have to pay a lawyer to defend himself in court while the company tries to prove their point.
Sure, he might get it back. Maybe. But he also would likely end up in debt defending himself, even if there’s no real merit to the case.
Just letting everyone know that GE appliance is also owned by Haire.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_Appliances
Besides that, they also own the following brands: Hotpoint (U.S.) Hoover (Europe) Candy Fisher & Paykel
I’m so sad about Fisher & Paykel. It was a local (New Zealand) manufacturer that prided itself on quality. It had such a great reputation for quality it eventually took that great quality internationally. And then capitalism and eshitification got its grubby hands on it and turned it into another trash brand. Yet another quality local company disappearing off overseas, screwing over local workers and trashing the quality in favour of profit.
Enshittification exclusively defines online platforms. Stop using it for everything.
It’s a perfectly cromulent word that describes the process that happens across nearly all consumer corporate endeavours, online included.
Last Haier appliance I had was a heap of shit anyway so no great loss avoiding their garbage in the future.
There’s so many issues with all the smart/IOT devices that it’s just not worth getting into. Few if any manufacturers offer proper, open integrations and when it comes to home appliance there are more important features than that. Just get up to turn off our AC, that’s still the best solution.
If any appliance manufacturer says that accessing your own appliance (that you own) outside their software ecosystem is financially “damaging” to them, they might as well be saying “Hey, just so you know, we’re collecting and selling your data.” If you have already purchased the appliance and their software is free, there is absolutely no other way that using a 3rd-party application could damage their bottom line.
Thanks, Haier, for letting me know never to purchase your products.
