Kinda OT, but writing about privacy and then presenting an abysmal way to opt out of 160+ trackers is pure, hypocritical, rich irony.
Yes, I’m talking to you, ghacks.net.
always been
It also sends your IMAP credentials to their servers and receives the mail there, it’s not done locally like the older versions.
This is the worst part to me. All this just to “cloud sync” or something silly.
Do they have a reason for that, or are they doing it just to do it
The twisted reasoning is probably so that the users can access the emails anywhere with their live account (and so that MS can scrape those mails for all sorts of creepy shit)
Oh, do you need to sign into a Live account just to use Outlook now? Or is this exclusively for Live account users?
At least in those cases, it would at least make logical sense … But if they’re doing stuff server side just to do it, seems like there’s no benefit for anybody but them. Unless they wanna pull the Google line of “we’re keeping your IP address safe from the bad guys” or some crap
Just to do it, IMAP already covers using multiple devices on an email account.
„Better user experience“ they said.
It’s a microsoft product, What the fuck do you expect?
uninstall the ‘new’ outlook app and use the ‘old’ mail app if you must. can at least do that, until they forcibly remove the old one and migrate users.
the new-look thunderbird is ok, as is emclient (proprietary but free-to-use version is available).
Mozilla Thunderbird is free and open source (foss)
Exactly. I mean there are numerous mail applications for Windows. We’re not limited to just mail apps from Microsoft.
Any outlook alternative that doesn’t look pre-dotcom? I really liked the Microsoft Mail app for its simplicity and the ability to have multiple inboxes, it’s a shame it is being replaced by outlook.
Spark, Mailbird, eM Client, Mailspring.
Most of the modern ones do store certain information on servers, though. Spark and Mailbird both do. Mailspring does as well if I recall correctly.
Most modern mail app developers seem to think that it’s more important to do search indexing and account storage on a server for ease of use, and expect inherent trust, foregoing all sense of real privacy under the veil of “we’re not evil, we promise.”
I’ve yet to find an email client that has a good modern look and feel, but doesn’t try to use server-side storage for some UX convenience factor.
I want the look and feel and mail host integrations of Spark (OAuth, like GMail, or preconfigs of hosts like iCloud) with the dumb-pipe-ness of Thunderbird. That’s the email unicorn I’m after.
Thunderbird still isn’t too much of a looker, but it got a lot better recently after they added the vertical layout and made a bunch of smaller improvements. I’ve been using it for a few months now (after having avoiding it for maybe a decade), and I’m pretty enthusiastic about it.
There’s also Betterbird, a fork of Thunderbird which retains some user-liked features that Mozilla removed as well as some bug fixes.
I tried using it a while back but went back to Mail app. Will try again, esp since I’m planning to move to Ubuntu as the main os.
Good luck! Aesthetically I find Geary to be the best client for GNOME, but Thunderbird has more advanced features and broader support. :)
Remember when Microsoft pushed hard on marketing “don’t be Scroogled” for this stuff?
Good call. Here’s a snapshot of scroogled.com in 2013 from the wayback machine.
Google goes through every Gmail that’s sent or received, looking for keywords so they can target Gmail users with paid ads. And there’s no way to opt out of this invasion of your privacy. Outlook.com is different—we don’t go through your email to sell ads.
Omg this is done by Microsoft 😂… The irony
This didn’t age well. Not that Microsoft were above board back then either.
