I don’t know why I even bother opening the settings app

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    I am really going to miss the old settings when they finally remove what is left of Control Panel. So far they have removed things or moved shit to force the Settings app. But they keep failing to make the new things have anywhere near the level of control. The power settings from Control Panel still matter way more than Settings and seem to actually stick when applied. And I just really have no idea how they have made stuff like resetting networking/connection issues worse over time. Fucking right-clicking on the networking icon on the taskbar and picking “repair” would actually get shit working again 8 times out of 10. But just seems to be a placebo at this point. There are still so many times that using different resets in Internet Options fixes more stuff I see regularly than the resets in Settings->Networking.

    And the newer Troubleshooting options never fix any of the Windows Update issues I come across. Just a glorified verification of the failures I already know are happening. I never thought I would so badly miss being able to tell Windows Update to ignore updates if they were bugging out (not to avoid them all together but at least stop the OS from just constantly going through the motions of installing and failing during each reboot/shutdown). So many of the updates that used to give me issues were really either down to them trying to install out of order or due to a fuck-up on MS’s end that pushed bad updates.

    The push to so deeply embed these AI models into everything so fast is really pissing me off. Shit is known to have issues with just outright making shit up. Which is IMO reason enough to not be adding them to end-products (especially since the end-products are also still not finished with removing old versions of things). One thing that really worries me in my job with fixing people’s PCs is the AI and search that pushes web content (and the now inescapable placement of ads) above local resources/programs/settings/etc. The main issues people have aren’t actual viruses like in the past. It is the massive levels of scams and fake alerts followed by fake “repair techs.” If the average person is so easy to trick when it is people scamming them. AI is going to blow shit up waaaaaaaay worse and will be able to do it so much faster and completely. Average people are still under the impression that these AI chats are giving completely real and accurate information (reminds me of how people used to believe that if something was said on TV that it was real).

    Shit is fucked and going to get much worse at a dramatically faster rate due to rushing things in order to make as much money as fast as possible. Even Microsoft used to ship things in a more complete state. But gaming has made shipping broken products completely normal. So no reason to care about keeping any level of quality.

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      And I just really have no idea how they have made stuff like resetting networking/connection issues worse over time.

      While I generally agree with your comment, they did add an option (don’t know how long it’s been there) where you can right-click on the Internet icon, click the troubleshooter, and there’s a button immediately right there in the troubleshooter to reset the adapter.

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      Oh man your whole comment speaks to me.

      And the newer Troubleshooting options never fix any of the Windows Update issues I come across.

      I was fighting with this just last night. Ended up having to follow an official Microsoft guide on how to shrink my system partition by 250MB, remove the recovery partition and set up a new one with 250MB more space just so that windows update could actually install the newest update. Fortunately I enjoy dicking around with my computer and can afford to make a mistake that might trash my windows install but for others that rely on their machine this stuff has to be daunting and frustrating.

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      I was honestly excited about the new Settings when Windows 10 arrived. I was a Windows sysadmin for more than a decade and am intimately familiar with control panel and think it sucks. I hoped Settings would modernize and streamline. But here we are, so many years later, and many common tasks still lead us to control panel. Such disappointment.

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    windows 7-style control panel is one of the most non intuitive uis ever created

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    I’ll have you know windows has changed.

    Now you can’t move the task bar

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    Remember when they planned to move over all the Control Panel settings to the Settings app?

    In Windows 10?

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    You go deep enough and very Windows 95 looking menus pop up. Like are they building over the old system? It’s all very strange.

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      yes they are, actually. Backwards compatibility is a huge thing in Windows, it’s why you can’t name files certain names such as CON, and why you can find things from 3.1 etc. still.

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        Fun Fact: Every single Exe today still checks prior to running whether it is Barbie Riding Club (1998) or can it run normally?

        Because when you update your OS and your game breaks - you don’t blame Hasbro, you blame Windows every time. You can’t just call up Sierra Games and ask them to update - they don’t exist anymore and so you must carry everything forward - bugs included.

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    So fucking annoyed at the taskbar overflow shit in Windows now. I don’t want it hiding any of my system tray icons…I want to see what’s running and I don’t care how it looks. Every time certain apps update themselves, I have to go in again and select that particular app to hide itself with no way to tell Windows to just stop trying to hide system tray icons altogether. I’ve told it to hide Discord and the Xbox app probably 20 times each now and it conveniently forgets my decision every app update.

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    Dude I got fucking livid yesterday because Alt keyboard shortcuts no longer work in Paint.

    You have to interact with the ribbon before the alt key works.

    And then there’s no key shortcut for “Save As” or “Exit”.

    The fuck Microsoft. They weren’t hurting anyone and your wrecking 30 years of muscle memory. You know how frustrating that is?

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    For the past 8 years I have had to disable ‘mouse acceleration’ after every Windows update. The updates have become more frequent, and the setting to disable acceleration has slowly become buried deeper in the menus. Switched to Linux two days ago and I’m never looking back.

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        Windows had 3 peaks. 95, xp, and 7.

        Now I just use Linux. I know not everyone can, but for everything I do or need to do it all works just fine there so I couldn’t be happier.

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      I think after Windows 7 they tried to get into the mobile market for a while so they changed a few things to make Windows work with touch input. But then they realized that they were not up to the task of dealing with actual competition because it requires actually making a good product, so they retreated to their desktop comfort zone where they’ve had a monopoly since forever due to exclusive software and user habits and started to cash in on it by plastering everything with ads. Meanwhile, they pulled out the few skilled developers to have them work on cloud stuff with Azure, because at least after they accidentally lost the emails of the european parliament to a chinese intelligence service without any consequences they know that nothing threatens their dominance over the market

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    Because Microsoft went full Apple amd adopted the “we know what’s good for you so don’t defy our decisions” philosophy of UX design.

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      As much as I hate apple, at least apple also caters to power users somewhat. Windows became so, so dumb.

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            Because it’s based off of BSD and uses very similar tools to Linux, and because of brainwashing of the Apple cult I guess.

            Overall, OSX is a piece of shit OS that is shit to work on. I lasted a year before I just gave it back and got a Windows machine, most unintuitive frustrating OS I’ve ever used. Sure the hardware can seem nice (if it doesn’t break or if you don’t need anything repaired or replaced) but OSX is trash. If you want to use something, use Linux, there are tons of good distros and all of them cater to the power user.

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                Because I like Windows, and calling it “pathetic” is like saying OSX is for power users. Lol, just, lol.

                I’ve been in the industry for 18 years, I went from an MS Systems Engineer building and managing MS infrastructure for all size companies and enterprises. I’ve been an AWS Cloud Support engineer working mainly on Linux and AWS, I’ve been a devops engineer building and maintaining on prem build systems and web server farms (these used IIS and everything was MS) for a company with insane uptime requirements, I’ve also done similar on AWS with K8s and a whole bunch of other stuff. I’m now a Systems Engineer in a build team for a big company and my primary responsibility is to build and manage the OSX infra we use. During that time I’ve had enough experience of trying to deal with OSX and all it’s BS, which included using a MacBook for a year, that I can say unequivocally that Apple is a shitty company with shitty practices, and Linux can be a pain in the ass to fix when things break in strange ways. But you know what I love about Windows? It just works, I rarely have any issues. If I need Linux, I use WSL or start a VM in the cloud or my machine. I can run pretty much everything I need without issues and I’m a master with PowerShell so can automate anything I need to do on my own PC.

                But you know what? You’re completely right, my career is a failure and I’m pathetic because I use Windows. I should go kms now.

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              I work on OSX build machines every day and the amount of time I have to waste fiddling to get the simplest shit to work is insane. Fuck I hate it so much with every fiber of my body. I can’t even use any cli utils to get disk or network stats because of their dumb security BS, which you can’t disable because it’s cloud hosted.

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      I don’t know what Apple did but they murdered System Preferences and made us all watch as they pretended the mutilated corpse with a name tag on still dripping with middle manager cum is better.

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    Appwiz.cpl, ncpa.cpl, desk.cpl and mmsys.cpl. I use all the time… ever since win 8 changed all the settings ui. That new ui, while getting better since 8 still sucks since the old control panel. I hope they never remove it since windows is still the name of the game for end users (even in some software dev environments).

    Here’s a list of cpl, you just use them at run or even the windows search. https://www.itechtics.com/control-panel-applets-cpl/

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    bro I’m so happy that the last windows i set up was 2015… i remember every time the excruciating 1h set aside to click and confirm and authenticate privileged access and pull slider etc… no sensible way to just run it in terminal, at least not that i know of. and nowadays there’s this useless right-click menu that hides the real right-click menu and you can only fix this by finding a registry key 😂😂😂

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    It’s like Windows is devolving into really, REALLY early Linux, where a single Control Panel application is broken up into a half dozen separate parts and scattered throughout the interface in a dozen separate sub-sub-sub menus.

    You should NOT have to hunt for the “print” button in a freaking word processor.

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        This is a post complaining about an operating system. Someone else recommends an operating system that doesn’t have this problem. Where’s the circlejerk?

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          It’s just a well-known trope of Lemmy nowadays that whenever any issue with any OS is reported, rather than providing advice for the situation the default response is often “FUCK [OS], USE LINUX”. It’s become so common that it’s essentially now viewed by non-Linux users as Linux users just engaging in a circlejerk of their favourite OS. I know that circlejerks usually require more than one person but the Lemmy hivemind tends to respond this way, so a single comment (that is usually highly upvoted) is viewed as a circlejerk.

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            They are the vegans of OSes. You know why they do it, you know it’s not for everyone, yet they have to announce it every time.

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            I mean, if you want to move away from Microsoft’s very weird UI principles and towards an operating system where you’ll never be placed in this situation, then that seems to me to be very reasonable advice?

            Like, in all seriousness, what advice can anyone give to this individual? No one anticipates Microsoft making the changes OP wants. This is a problem that doesn’t exist in Linux and for cultural and technical reasons effectively can never happen within Linux. Linux is free and will remain free forever.

            I live in the real world. I know that people’s employers might not support them using Linux. However, why is the anger in this situation always pointed at those who are trying to offer a better alternative and never those preventing a switch to said alternative?