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This should include a user count in each so we can see just how many pedos and nazis are being punted to their own little disgusting bubbles
Most pedos are nazis and vice versa.
I don’t think there’s a reliable source for that claim, but it’s mean to two groups I don’t like and is therefore true
You got a way with words.
A little correction: while some of pedo instances are full of potential child abusers, others are based on non-offending (i.e. stop fucking children ffs) principles.
The latter are actually extremely important since they provide a gateway for otherwise potentially dangeous individuals to gain support and find professional help. Trying to instead blindly seed hatred towards people with any immutable traits is never productive, be it any mental disorder, sexuality, or otherwise, same as race and gender. In this case, it only prevents pedophiles from seeking help, making them more likely to become the child predator type and actually pose danger to kids.
Being a pedophile is not a choice. Being a Nazi or a child abuser are, and those should fuck themselves (but also reconsider what they do and what they believe in).
Being a pedo may not be a choice, but acting on it definitely is. And any pedo who has to go searching for pedo friendly communities is not looking for help, theyre looking to get off.
Its not a big secret to them that they have something wrong to live with. They dont need a support community to tell them how not to fuck kids. It shouldnt take that much self control for them to not fuck kids…
I’d even bet the vast majority of them already do just fine living normal lives. Just like the vast majority of “normal” adults dont go around raping each other just because they feel sexually aroused by someone.
How do you jump from “searching for pedo friendly communities” to “looking to get off”?
Imagine being a gay in a country where you’ll be in real danger if you’ll ever mention it. Would you like to have someone at least online to talk about how you feel? Probably yes. Same idea. It’s hard to hold up things that big throughout life, as just about any closeted LGBT+ person will tell you.
And then with any attraction that is actually dangerous and also illegal when acted on, like, well, pedophilia, or zoophilia, or biastophilia, or God knows what, there will always be people in doubt on whether they should go for it or not. And a community of people with the same issue telling them “we know how you feel, but CERTAINLY NO” would be way more productive than randoms on the Internet shaming them and putting them into the same bin as actual rapists.
Of course, most of them will probably never offend regardless. But people in doubt, as well as people in mental distress, are to always keep in mind. And if you ignore them, you get more child abuse, more suicides, and more pain and suffering in the world.
Maybe im wrong and they need support. Maybe im not. I certainly am in no position to say one way or another with authority. But i’d rather be wrong about keeping them shamed than be wrong about letting them feel positive about their issue.
Either way, i respectfully am done discussing the topic for now. I will give your opinions some thought though.
I’ll play the devil’s advocate here. Not supporting or opposing your point of view. Just to add to the discussion. Let’s use another extreme: People with a killing spree sexual attraction. I know, I know, it may be not the same, and it’s something that doesn’t exist (God I hope!) But for the sake of the argument, let’s assume it does.
You have this forum of people posting memes about mass killings and frustrations about not being able to kill, but that you would totally never ever kill anyone, even though the urge is there.
What would you think of such community? Would it be a safe one?
(Dear CIA, NSA, FBI agents, the above is just a completely hypothetical scenario. I am a law-abiding citizen. Always have, always will.)
…there is a joke here that I could make about incel forums. I’m not going to try to because it’s in poor taste, but my point is that I’m pretty sure that does exist…
Also, what’s your actual position if that’s your devil’s advocate position? I’m a bit unsure if the implication there is intentional or not
Well, I don’t really have a position. I think pedophilia is heinous, but I understand that sexual attraction is not a choice. Would an internet forum be a good and healthy supporting tool for pedophiles making an effort to do the right thing? That’s the question I’m trying to answer.
Here’s something I found on the issue:
https://www.nomos-elibrary.de/10.5771/9783748904403-279.pdf
TL;DR it very much depends on the nature of the platform, but peer support platforms like Virtuous Pedophiles seem to be more good than bad, helping in combating child sexual abuse.
I’d argue it’s way better to give them a platform to vent, so instead of going to the street and killing everyone they post memes and share therapists.
Would I be grossed out? Hell yeah, just like with pedophilia. Would I still think it’s a good thing? Absolutely.
It’s easy to go with your gut feeling and think you’re righteous to follow it. It’s always harder to think it through and do and support what’s actually right.
I wonder why gameliberty.club is the only Mastodon instance in this list that uses the old blue logo.
Because they are still on version 3
Right
If the FBI are on here, they’d better work harder
Maybe its their instances and those are honeypots
Apparently it is rather easy to gather personal data as an instance owner, so it really makes you wonder.
That’s actually pretty concerning, however my mantra is that anything with bad optics just stays in my head. Nobody can gather what I won’t say!
Maybe its their instances and those are just the way they are
WHAT COULD POA.ST HAVE DONE TO GET THAT MANY DEFEDERATIONS
edit: scrolled down in the comments to find my answer
This is why I believe federation should be an opt-in process rather than servers being federated by default.
Some of you may remember when Lemmy World was flooded with CSAM by other hostile instances and had to temporarily disable image uploads.
That would destroy the already limited content of the fedi. It’s like people hate content discovery for some reason.
It’s almost like federation is a stupid fucking idea that doesn’t work
It’s almost like it’s fundamentally broken and no one else wants to admit it
Out of curiosity, why are you here, then?
Because I refuse to give up on speaking the truth about the matter, and how corrupt the admins are, and demonstrating the very serious flaws and problems Lemmy as a platform has (there are a lot of ways people can exploit Lemmy to be a massive douche canoe, for starters).
Because truth is valuable for its own sake even if no one will listen.
People really ought to go back to separate websites and small forums, and get away from federation in general. It doesn’t do any real good.
Well how do you think it should work then?
👆
What do you think towns and cities are
Stupid fucking ideas.
there are peoples who create instances for their families, who is going to manually federate with all these small instances?
Nominally, you’d need to go through some request process to request federation with other large instances. Then they’d vet your configuration before adding you.
Would be nice if they had some form of agreement where you can get accepted by one big instance, you get accepted by all. Or maybe even a standard order form and application which you can send to all major instances with the click of a button
Lemmy supports both blacklist and whitelist federation, but the only large instance that uses whitelist federation as far as I know currently is Hexbear.
Does kiwifarms.cc even exist anymore? I remember hanging out there while the main site was under maintenance, but it seems to have gone offline since then
I hope not, it was a toxic shit hole filled with complete fucking losers.
Not sure why this is downvoted, but’s been down for longer than a week according to isitdownrightnow.
coordinating bullying with the intent of causing suicide is frowned upon
Not sure why this is downvoted
Because people hate Kiwi Farms. The reason why people hate them because KF haves freedom and it’s unkillable.
People frown upon doxxing and stalking, the law does so too.
Especially if it is just to push people into suicide.
Any sane person would hate KiwiFarms. They are the degenerates of the internet. Akin to skinheads. Anyone who identifies as one of them should be banned, IP blocked and seriously beaten if encountered in real life.
Cause kiwifarmers are degens
Newbie question here… What’s the difference between federated and de-federated?
So you need to look at the number of de federations. That is basically how many other instances have blocked them and do not receive content from them to their feed. You can still go to all these instances using their respective urls and see what they are like. The reasons for blocking them vary depending on the instance. Edit: They can still be federated with other instances that don’t block them creating their own little fediverse bubbles.
Defederated means that the server has been forbidden from connecting and communicating with specific other servers that have decided to defederate with it, so users from the server can’t see or interact with users and posts on the server that defederated it and vice versa. Hopefully I was clear and coincise.
Federated means that any instance that is federated with them receives their content and can bee seen on that instance.
Defederated means they are not federated anymore, thus blocking both users and content.
It’s usually done to combat content you don’t want on your instance
Ok ok… So me using Lemmy.world is a specific instance of Lemmy, so it’s almost like its own server? And other instances (maybe lemmy.unitiedstates?) is its own federated instance likely related to just U.S. posts and it can communicate with other instances? Do de-federated instances have no other communication with instances?
Apologies if these are silly, I feel like a dum dum because everyone else seems to grasp this except me.
Eientei? From touhou? Wonder what’s in there. Also was expecting to see the pawoo competitor misskey.io since several japanese artists went there after Musk bought twitter.
I checked. Mostly a handful-of-people instance doing whatever on some Pleroma/Akkoma instance. Not much to see there and not much of what I could see there seemed to make much sense to me. Perhaps the defeds are mostly preventative but I cannot tell.
Makes me kinda wish that when defederating you could select a one word label for why. Like a fixed list with several options like pedo, spam, harassment, abandoned, etc and a default of other. Make it a bit easier with a big list like this to say, oh 1000 of these 1400 all selected “racism” when defederating so it’s probably very racist and I should also defederate. But if it’s a lot of “other” or inconsistent reasons maybe I should spend a bit of time digging.
You’re looking for this: https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/censured. Us instance admin can also endorse other instances.
What’s up with all the pedo instances? Why are they creating instances in an open web? Are they dumb or something? It sounds to me that just registering the domain names of some of those could be considered a crime, nevermind openly inviting and hosting CSAM.
It’s not a crime as long as they don’t post the actual content, I guess
Honeypots and also to discourage people from engaging to corral people into big tech where surveillance is #1
What does “altfedi” mean? And what content is illegal in Germany and Czechia?
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com is one cool dude. Their fingerprints are all over Lemmy in an obviously much needed manner. I’m glad I joined their instance.
Agreed! I’m really appreciative of folks putting this kind of work into Lemmy.
Sooooo much CSAM and lolicon on there. Disgusting. One question tho, what does “map” mean in this context?
“Minor attracted person” the whitewashed version of the word pedophile.
What does kiwifarm mean?
Here’s the beginning of the Wikipedia article:
Kiwi Farms, formerly known as CWCki Forums, is a web forum that facilitates the discussion and harassment of online figures and communities. Their targets are often subject to organized group trolling and stalking, as well as doxxing and real-life harassment.
So, it’s an assholefarm.
Although the name originated with one particular site, it looks like the name now applies to any site that serves a similar purpose. Bleah.
They’ve defederated from a bunch for no reason including lemmyunchained.net which is what I use. But I still see posts, why is that?
Who are they?
As an instance owner, thank you. Going to use this a lot
I’ve never heard of any of these.
Awesome
Sees a bunch of “freeze speech” including “freespeechextremist”- lol the classic
Sees “freecumextremist”- oh no, the classic!
half are pedo servers 💀
And the rest are racist.
Took a look through some of the ones with tame names out of morbid curiosity; not that interesting tbh. Just hope I’m not on a watchlist now.
Last time I checked reading a racist comment makes you a racist
In France, just using the word race to talk about humans is considered racist.
Edit: for people who don’t believe that, he’s an article about that and its consequences when George Floyd-like events happen in France. https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230705-france-colorblind-nahel-immigration-talk-about-race-laicite-secularism
I’m the biggest racist of them all 🚗🚗🚗🚘🚘🚘🏎🏎🏎 I race all cars
You just infected us all by turning racism into “I just lost the game.”
You just made me lose the game mate
Woah, it’s been years since the last time I lost the game! Thanks, I guess?
This actually gives me hope. The biggest Instances coming together to stand up for good values and fight off vermin like Nazis, Pedos and other pests of Humanity.
Well, a few people have already pointed out the nastiest sounding one, so I’ll go with wolfgirl.bar
Pretty sure I’d want eye bleach after that.
Or of curiosity, what’s bad about that one? I’m a person who likes animal peepz, but if they’ve been defederated there’s gotta be more to it that “wolf girls the server”
Quick edit: I went there and I need an account to see stuff, which id rather not do if this server has issues.
It should be shunned and defederated so the degenerate furries hide and learn shame
I looked it up through the link somebody shared on the comments here and the admin is a neonazi.
BOOOOOO yeah defed that shit hahaha
Damn furry Nazis.
Nazi furries have been a thing for years. The regular furries don’t like them.
Good question. I was only talking about my own personal tastes. I don’t know what would be objectively worthy of defederation, because what you’re talking about is fine.
Fair! Someone else here said the admin is a neo-Nazi so fuck all that shit
seal.cafe, cawfee.club and sleepy.cafe sure got welcoming names. Given the number of defederations, I doubt the contents are anything like the names.
Most of them were automatically defederated for not having adequate protection against bot signups, that got nothing to do with sketchy content.
If the bots are welcomed and they don’t have good enough moderation, this is just sketchy content with extra steps.
As someone interested in both sides of security game theory, what exactly helps stop bots? I grew up playing RuneScape and hating bots before making r/Artisanvideos and hating them even more. I’ve always wondered if it’s a matter of automatically detecting precise repetitive patterns or just specific giveaway signs.
Why was Alex Gleason defederated?
I think he was employed by truth social for a while, and it might have been just because of his prior involvement as a programmer. But could be wrong about him working there or wrong about that being the reason.
@Jake_Farm @witchdoctor Too based for the leftoid soyboy fedi instances.
Too cringe
