Dear Leftists,
You claim to hate whataboutism, yet every time someone suggests voting for Harris so Trump doesn’t win and thus do irreparable harm to Gaza, to large numbers of vulnerable Americans, to the climate, and to our ability to vote at all, you say “whatabout democrats”. Curious!
Dear Liberals,
Democrats are committing Genocide right now. Trump is not the president. It is not 2016. You can’t blame Trump for Demcrats doing a Nazi Holocaust.
Kind regards.
I’m sorry but short of a revolution (which is unlikely), or slow, measured positive change over the course of decades (which we’d still have to fight hard for), we’re stuck with a two party system and you shouldn’t blame people for sticking with the lesser of two evils. I do agree that Liberals can be heavy handed with their bans, but I guess they’re doing so to keep the discourse focused. Trump is a very real and immediate threat who might commit far more heinous crime if he becomes the president again.
Policy change comes from people resisting policy with their votes. Abortion is on the agenda because people demanded it with votes. This is no different.
Enough people start demanding it and it will happen. No matter how much politicians want to sell out, they can only do so if you vote for them.
Dear person who refuses to argue in good faith,
First of all, last I checked, Netanyahu was committing genocide, not the Democrats. Second of all, Trump has promised to funnel arms to Israel harder than Biden currently is, and he stands a very real chance of winning the 2024 election.
- There are two choices in the United States 2024 election. No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning. No, not even if the 30,000 people you can reach on Lemmy all vote for Timothy Greenparty.
- A Trump victory in 2024 would not only be just as bad if not worse for the citizens of Gaza than Harris would, but also pose an existential threat to a large number of vulnerable Americans (trans people, immigrants, women seeking abortions).
- Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don’t vote for her.
- Snoozing fascism for four years is better than inviting it through the door now, and buys us time to build our defenses for when it comes back.
I’d like to focus my counterargument. Which of these statements do you disagree with?
The dude has been told that countless times and obviously doesn’t remotely give a fuck. Makes you wonder why he’s going so hard for months on a strategy that could only result in helping Trump, huh? Sure af wouldn’t help Palestinians or “reform the democrats” as is claimed.
What a weird focus on the US democratic party. Every single US government has been doing this exact same thing.
What a weird whataboutism. No US government has ever supported israel in a blatant Holocaust.
Even the Republicans that supported an israeli Genocide told israel to cut it off after 3000 killed Palestinians.
If Trump was doing this you’d be up in arms. But Blue MAGA all the way.
Sure… Zionists that don’t support Israel.
During the Suez Crisis of the 1950s, then-President Dwight Eisenhower leveraged the threat of sanctions to convince Israel to withdraw from the Sinai Peninsula, per AP.
Back in 1981, former President Ronald Reagan indefinitely delayed two shipments of F-16 fighter jets to Israel over the ‘‘escalating level of violence’’ in the Middle East.
In 1992, the Bush administration threatened to withhold the delivery of $10 billion in loan guarantees to Israel if it continued building settlements in the occupied West Bank and Gaza, the Washington Post reported.
Every single US government has been doing this exact same thing.
So… both sides are evil?
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Whether the winner is Trump or Kamala, both of them will still keep supporting Israel; as their actions benefit US overall. Trump even had the chance to resolve the israel palestine crisis back when he was the president. He didn’t. Why would he change policies after he’s elected again?
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In essence the entire US Government regardless if Republican or Democrat are complicit in this ongoing genocide.
That is true, but Republican’s electoral base mostly agrees with this whereas democrat’s electoral base doesn’t. Many Pro-republicans will gleefully vote for genocide or deny than that’s what’s going on. Pro-democrats, however are asked to tolerate genocide to vote for the lesser of two evils. It makes sense that the latter will protest and demand that the politicians who are supposed to represent them change their ways.
So what you’re saying is the Democrats are the same as Republicans but they pretend to care.
Because if just one similarity exists that means both are the same. Now that’s the most basic and simplistic world view I’ve ever heard.
Same on this issue.
Liberals really pretending to not understand what context is.
Dude I’m not even a US Citizen I’m just an outside observer.
Also you could have clarified that you meant to say that both parties have the same stance on the issue, but no you had to also attack me as I can`t read your mind.
You call my worldview simplistic. If you want kind words maybe don’t start with that.
Well apparently it’s even more simplistic as that.
Also you could have clarified that you meant to say that both parties have the same stance on the issue, but no you had to also attack me as I can`t read your mind.
They probably did that on purpose - Motte-Bailey Fallacy
Oh nice, I didn’t know that this had a specific name. Thanks :)
Ironic that you attribute this to my comment instead of his.
Getting rid of zionistic tendencies won’t just happen during one legislative period. But I’m not deep into US Politics so I can’t make any statements or suggestions how to get rid of this heinous stance.
So yeah voting democrats is the lesser evil on only this topic, while it is a way better choice regarding other more domestic issues.
What does “finish the job “ mean to you? People In glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
We see articles about trump talking with bibi to stall or delay any ceasefire because it’ll help Harris… you post this?
Sounds like shipping 14,000+ 2,000 pound bombs to israel.
Sure sounds like Biden should start using his leverage over israel if he wants to achieve that ceasefire. If only he had the power to do that amiright haha.
No, you’re not right. We have literally ZERO idea what happens in the talks for a ceasefire. Sure I agree we should just stop sending them weapons. Is it that cut and dry? And especially now with dipshit Donny and bibi talking on the side.
We know. Blinken goes to israel, promises Netanyahu more weapons and asks him what lie he needs to say to blame Hamas. Then Blinken goes to Egypt and tells Sisi to help israel.
And especially now with dipshit Donny and bibi talking on the side.
Half the Trump stage is israeli flags not sure why people are acting surprised at a phone call.
I can’t tell if that first period is on accident or not and it changes the entire structure and point.
If you’re saying that we know what Bliken promises and says behind closed doors I’m going to need a source.
What does not being surprised by the call matter?
Paywalled, can’t read it
Literally nobodys saying that. The only thing we say is that trump would do the same(or probably worse) and that you shouldnt throw away your vote on some third party that 5 people vote for. If the had a sane system you could rank your vote but sadly, currently the us voting system is fucked. Also youre probably a chinese propaganda machine or a tankie which also means youre provably a chinese propaganda machine… Other thing id like to point out: all the tankies call biden genocide joe but somehow trump is always left out of the conversation, interesting isnt it. Also im pro palestine(tho not anti israel more anti netanyahu and anti settler) but i live in europe so i can actually choose from multiple parties…
At least you admit you’re a Zionist
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Sure keep calling me the bad guy for picking the lesser evil. Maybe if you keep doing it enough, Lemmy will get more users.
