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I know lots of Dems and they practically all own guns.
How does one drunk driver even kill 10 people before dying themselves?
Funny enough most drunk drivers survive. Ragdolling instead of tensing up. The macabre of life.
Actually pretty easy; a car swerving around and being a danger can often pass others by because those others took evasive maneuvers to avoid them…which caused them to crash into yet more vehicles.
Drive into a basketball court
Plowing into a crowd. I’m sure it’s happened.
On the interstate that seems less likely.
…killed 10 people on the interstate.
Regardless of the rest, this is like saying that guns would be confiscated because someone shot 10 people at a shooting range.
If it were a regular occurrence that people were driving cars through classrooms, like it is with shooting into them, then the conversation around regulating cars would look a lot more similar to the one about guns.
The biggest difference is you need to have a license for a car and it needs to be registered, and in most places you have to have insurance to cover any damage you may cause. None of this is true for gun ownership, despite a car being nearly required for life in the US and a gun being a toy for most people, or at best a tool that is used for one particular job.
The biggest difference is you need to have a license for a car
I agree and made a similar comment on this post but you can buy a car without a license in every US state. It’s the driving part that requires a license. It’s a nitpick but still applies given the conversation around gun control is focused mostly on the purchase side of things.
About 45,000 people are killed in motor vehicle crashes each year, and that’s nearly double the number of homicide–which includes negligent homicides–committed with firearms.
How many hours of car driving are there before a death?
How many of those deaths from cars are intentional?
What would happen to the economy if we remove cars Vs guns? (Public mass transit would hopefully get better)
What would happen to the economy if we remove cars Vs guns?
If you did it all at once? The economy would crash, and we’d have a depression that would make The Great Depression look like the Dow having a minor downtick. Too much of the US population lives too far from where they work to get to work without a car, and building the infrastructure so that even suburban areas could get to jobs would be difficult.
On the other hand, personal cars–and commercial vehicles–are a significant source of greenhouse gas emissions, both from burning fossil fuels, and from the production of the vehicle itself. Even switching to all electric vehicles will not make them emission-free over their lifetime (although it will certainly help), nor would going to solely mass-transit. Looking at projections for climate change, and taking into account the direct emissions alone from motor vehicles, the number of deaths indirectly caused by them is going to be sharply increasing. So, IMO, banning all personal internal combustion engine vehicles would make a lot of sense, even if it would crash the economy for a decade or three, because that would significantly help with climate change.
Ok. I guess I was really trying to address your point of 45k car deaths being double the number of gun murders.
Saying let’s ban guns because they kill people, and then saying let’s also ban cars because they kill twice as many people is, I feel, a flawed argument.
Most countries in the world get by with no civilian (or very few) guns. Bar a few small islands, there are no countries that get by without cars.
Most countries in the world get by with no civilian (or very few) guns.
I don’t think that’s relevant, because we, in the US, have 250 years of recognizing that it is an individual right to be keep and bear arm; other countries don’t even recognize an individual right to self defense, and I would hope that we would agree that’s morally repugnant. Relatively speaking, very few countries have real, robust protections for free speech and political discourse, and I would hope that we would agree that protections for speech–even speech that is revolting to all sense of morality–need to be protected in order for democracy–such as it is–to remain even remotely functional.
If we’re looking at overall harms, banning IC engines entirely would do far more to address global mortality rates than ending civilian ownership.
If we want to reduce the harms of guns, specifically, then rather than eliminating a civil right, why not address the conditions that cause people to engage in violence? If you remove the tool, rather than correcting the underlying cause, then you simply shift the means of violence rather than reducing or eliminating it. Even countries with fairly high individual firearm ownership–Switzerland, Finland–have very low rates of violence, because they simply don’t have the same underlying problems that we seem to celebrate in the US.
That’s where I get so hung up; you wouldn’t treat pneumonia with cough syrup, you’d treat it with antibiotics. Treat the disease, and the symptoms go away on their own. And the great part is, if you treat the disease, the all of America is a nicer place.
The UK most definitely recognises a right to self defense.
The law on self-defence allows a person to use reasonable force to defend themselves or another, to protect property, to prevent crime or to apprehend a criminal offender. https://www.stuartmillersolicitors.co.uk/self-defence-laws-guide/
It also has laws covering free speech, and the limitations, such as offensive or hateful language - https://care.org.uk/cause/freedom-of-speech/free-speech-law
section 4 of the Public Order Act 1986 makes it an offence for a person to use “threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviours that causes, or is likely to cause, another person harassment, alarm or distress”. This law also includes language that is deemed to incite “racial and religious hatred” as well as “hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation” and language that “encourages terrorism”.
I’m sure you’d agree in a civilised society there’s no need to go around threatening people, or being abusive towards people based on their race, religion, or sexual orientation. After all the US’ very foundation was to escape religious persecution!
As for the prevalence of violence in the US vs Switzerland, yeah fair enough. If you can change the underlying culture, good on you! However, a gun will kill a lot of people a lot faster than a car or knife!
Take the average person who will cause a fatal car crash next year, and ask them what they use their car for every day.
Now take the average person who will shoot someone to death next year and ask them what they use their gun for every day.
Funny, the only politician I’ve ever heard actually talk about taking away/seizing guns was Donald Trump
They must all really hate him for that, right?
Donnie banned the bump stocks!!!
I wonder how they feel about sobriety checkpoints.
I like the implication that guns are equal to cars in terms of necessity. Some people can’t leave their homes without driving, and some people (cowards) can’t leave their suburban house without their emotional support weapon.
I see this sentiment parroted in every post about guns, and I get it: Some people have never been in a situation that required one, and they don’t understand why people would need one.
What I don’t get is what it’s contributing to the conversation.
Some people have never been in a situation that required one, and they don’t understand why people would need one.
Realistically such situations come about because of easy access to guns. Make it more work to buy and keep a firearm, use red flag laws to prevent those who cannot safely own and maintain a firearm from having them, provide easy gun buyback & disposal, and eventually the gun population will dwindle and fewer people will have actual needs for guns. Overtime with such programs firearm ownership should eventually find itself at a reasonable level where only responsible gun owners have them
The problem is for every responsible gun owner there are dozens of irresponsible ones who are a danger to themselves and others.
Look at all the damn cases of kids killing themselves playing with guns left out by their owners.
Anyone who argues against the idea of gun control shows a distinct lack of empathy at best and is one of the those irresponsible and dangerous users at worst.
Who’s arguing against the idea of gun control in this thread? Again, parroting.
The meme at the top is arguing that.
The meme is literally arguing against the idea of gun control.
Nobody is taking your guns away, if the requirements for owning and using a firearm became the equivalent of the requirements for owning and operating a motor vehicle that would be a massive improvement.
I’ll certainly buy that there are some people and situations where a weapon is a necessary tool, And some people who can use them responsibly. however the problem is the majority of careless or frightened weapons holders who are a deadly threat to everyone around them. Most talk about guns rights doesn’t account for that and completely ignores the rights of the potential victims to not be killed
As long as you’re treating gun control as all or nothing, I’ll have to side with all the victims rather than the few responsible gun holders. Meet us someplace in between to try to reduce the harm caused by your tool and protect all the innocent victims
Funny comparing guns to cars. I need a drivers license to operate a car, something I will be tested for and have to renew regularly. A car has a registration number that is registered to me and a license plate with the state that gets renewed regularly. Also insurance is required, the cost of which goes up if I’m irresponsible.
Owning and driving a car is not a Constitutionally protected right.
Yah and the right to bear arms is not absolute. You can’t and shouldn’t be able to own just a bunch of rocket launchers. Just like with the first amendment, you still can’t threaten people. You can have sensible laws around rights.
Also, running the country off ideas people had hundreds of years ago is so backwards.
The 2nd amendment literally doesn’t provide them the right to a weapon.
If it did, particularly for the reason they say, literally killing a politician would be legal if you could prove “their tyranny”. That’s the biggest load of bullshit.
It’s a simple provision that provides the States with the right to arm their own militias.
So many chode Americans believe “theyre the miltia!!!”. The government also defines that, though, and it’s … not everyone. Its only males 18-45, and women in the Guard. That’s it. So the only people the 2nd amendment could even begin to logically and legally allow a weapon are healthy, able bodied males 18-45 and trained women. And they don’t really need to prove theyre able bodied, so every fat guy with a gun is breaking constitutional law
Almost everything you said is correct, but you forgot that a militia is not a military organization, they are paramilitary and are still civilians. Legal definition of a militia does not mention requirements of age or health. National Guard is a military organization that is funded by public tax dollars and mandates specific ages and health.
Because of this fact, militia are only mandated by the US Constitution to be “well regulated” so that when a state governor calls them to action, they need to form and follow a chain-of-command, which requires the ability to train with their firearms on their own personal time and their own dime (they are legally not allowed to be a burden to the taxpayers in any way, unlike the state National Guard).
So this means unrestricted access to commercial firearms and the freedom to train on federal land or private property with their own personally owned (not government issue) weapons.
This argument is bad and you should feel bad
I’m up for banning all cars slowly.
Luckily there is not a word in the constitution about em!
Right? Good policy means you look at issues and try to fix them systemically.
I don’t think cars should be removed at gunpoint, but if we could have a more robust and clean public health transportation system which would naturally phase out cars, I’m for it. Give us fucking decent high-speed rail.
And for the guns, at minimum give people health care including mental healthcare
To drive that car, she had to take a class, get experience under an instructor/valid driver, take a paper test, take a practical test.
This is not the gotcha you think it is. As a gun owner, I’m for responsible gun control, and this meme is anti-gc.
also there are different licenses for different classes of vehicles.
And driving licenses are far too easy to get as well.
Just because jt was easy for you doesn’t mean it was easy for everybody else.
It shouldn’t! Operating two ton vehicles at hundreds of kilometres per hour should not be for everyone!
There is a reason why traffic is a top killer.
Hundreds of kilometers per hour? Where are you driving with speed limits that high?
For a pro-gun sublemmy, there are a lot of anti gun comments.
Is this the most fuckcars poster ever? NGL I lowkey love the implication that the only purpose of cars is to kill people 🥰
Not trying to compare these two things, but as a German it always stroke me as odd that many Americans will go to any lengths in order to defend their right to bear arms, but they all totally accept the fact that there’s not a single highway in the US without a speed limit.
In Germany, it seems to be the other way round. Noone really cares that guns are strictly regulated but most people will fiercely oppose the introduction of speed limits with the same level of fanaticism of American gun nuts.
Yeah I’ve always kinda questioned why we have speed limits on highways because not only is the entire point of a highway is to go as fast as possible but there’s also very rare actual enforcement with the few speed checks being the cause of accidents thanks to people braking to 50mph when they were going 80mph also we have laws dictating that if everyone is doing a faster speed then the limit you can get pulled over for doing the limit
Yeah I’ve always kinda questioned why we have speed limits on highways
So the police have somewhere to find extra funding.
Tbf, the limit on how many bullets you can legally fire (outside of defense of life or great bodily injury) in public is “0” so technically there is a limit on that too.
This is some peak dumb shit.
