• gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Is this the Russian Government censoring them, or is YouTube just pulling out because the sanctions mean they can’t run ads to Russian IPs?

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      the biggest ISP in Russia, rostelecom, started throttling youtube by 80% last month and is planning a full blocking. It’s a curious choice though… even the hardest most Z people are not happy about it.

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        It is a double-edged sword, because it would leave them blind to certain news without propaganda. Which could have direct and indirect consequences.

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            China has ten times more people than Russia, they have a big enough market to support a full fledged alternative. Russia does not

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          there is a browser extension that loads websites without middleman interference, a lot of people are using that. apparently it even unblocks twitter and some other sites.

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      The government claims it’s Google’s hardware getting outdated. Google says that’s bs.

      I think that it’s convenient how they’re telling that to us right before throttling YouTube only with certain providers (and seems to be with only certain regions as well).

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        YouTube was running like garbage for me in Texas earlier today while everything else was fine. Are they having issues in general?

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    Russian here. Yes, this is indeed true. They’ve been throttling the bandwidth for a good while before, even yt music was slow. GoodbyeDPI lets you bypass the blocks for now. Idk what to expect next tbh

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    It’s just so strange to read how Americans blame Putin for everything the rest of the world blames their government for.

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      Obvious Russian troll is obvious.

      Come on you can do better than this. You’r not even being entertainingly bad.

      You need to improve or else you will fall out of a window.

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        Sure, champion, your attention saved my life today. Let me get back to my trolling, spying, forced and commie stuff.

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      There hasn’t been any monetization since shortly after the invasion started. If I have to guess, Google was just footing the bills so they don’t lose presence to some local player when it’s all over.

      I’m actually more curious as to who finally pulled the plug, Google, or the Russian government; and why finally now. Article made it seem like the Russian govt wanted to violate net neutrality and slow down YT’s traffic, but makes no mentioning of which party ultimately took the service down.

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        It’s the russian government. There have been rumors that they are planning to shut down YT for good in the last few months.

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    That’s what you get. Ukraine doesn’t have access to YouTube either thanks to the rolling blackouts. So… I guess cry more? Or if you’re Russian and reading this, and you want change for your country: realize you are many, they are few, and the few they have aren’t currently as strong as they were before your country illegally invaded Ukraine. It won’t be easy but maybe you and your brethren can secure a safer future for your children, those children, and all the children you will never meet, by rising up against your oppressors

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    Thought it has already banned? Thought they had the same view as Chinese government to limited information so they can better brainwash people in Russia with propaganda.

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    Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty is straight up State department propaganda.

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      I’m sure everything Russia China and NK do WRONG is just *propaganda, too.

      Isn’t that right .ml user?

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      While this is somewhat true (state funded, but with some level of independence), your statement doesn’t jive with reality.

      I follow RFE/RL in both English and several other languages. Their reporting is far better than many multi-billion dollar private news companies in the West.

      And it’s not a minor difference either, the western news companies are not even close.

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          RT and RFE/RF are state media, but there is a difference. The former does not enjoy freedom and the latter does because of its firewall that prevents political interference.

          Although the Trump administration tried to remove firewalls and introduce its inference that could have been harmful during that period.

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            I think you mean it’s designed to prevent partisan interference. RFE/RL’s purpose is to support US foreign policy which makes it inherently political. It is undeniably a propaganda outlet and therefore comparable in function to RT. You may trust American propaganda over Russian propaganda but that doesn’t mean the former is not propaganda.

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              Just a question, what do you know about RFE/RL?

              Do you follow any of their news program series?

              Do you speak any other languageslioe Ukrainian, Belarusian or Georgian?

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                I do check out RFE/RL and its sister outlets from time to time. It’s pretty obvious that their agenda aligns 1 for 1 with American foreign policy objectives. To be fair though, the US wouldn’t fund RFE/RL if it didn’t effectively dupe people into believing it was an unbiased source.

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                  Is there anything else that you noticed beyond “aligns with US foreign policy objectives”.

                  Did you only read it in English? What other language services from them did you read.

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    While I understand people’s initial reaction to think this is a positive thing, I don’t believe it is. The less free speech and media the Russian people have access to, the more control Putins propaganda machine has.

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      I have a slightly different take: I think it’s a positive thing because the sooner we destroy YouTube, the sooner YouTube will be destroyed.

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      Is this a new development? If so could it be due to the Ukrainian incursion? I thought telegram was more popular there for that stuff

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      Practically all russians have had access to fully uncensored YT just one click away on their smartphones for over a decade (until today).

      That didn’t really change anything. Russia’s problems lie in the attitude of the overwhelming majority of its people, not in the lack of access to information.

      They make a conscious and fully informed choice to be genocidal imperialists and embrace authoritarianism.

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        Russia’s problems lie in the attitude of the overwhelming majority of its people, not in the lack of access to information.

        They make a conscious and fully informed choice to be genocidal imperialists and embrace authoritarianism.

        “they”?

        what happens to dissidents in Putin’s Russia? It’s easy to criticize a repressed population when you’re not risking anything.

        were all U.S. citizens responsible for the invasion of iraq? In U.S. where you don’t disappear for criticising the government and it’s choices, what difference did that freedom of speech make for Iraqis?

        Where in the so called “west” do people keep buying from Putin’s Russia through cloaked trade?

        while we’re on the subject of “genocidal imperialists embracing authoritarianism”, who are the greatest sponsors of one of the longest running apartheid regime? Is “the attitude of the overwhelming majority of its people” the cause of this genocidal apartheid?

        nuances! “Overwhelming majority” is just trying to get by. Most people are not power hungry psychopaths. If Putin, Netanyahu and some more of their ilk died today, world would be a better place tomorrow.

        fuck this! it’s time to go offline and read a decent book.

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          In U.S. where you don’t disappear for criticising the government and it’s choices

          Sometimes you shoot yourself in the head. Twice.

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          What about so called russian “dissidents”? Navalniy and his team openly supported the annexation of Crimea (and destruction of Ukrainian and Crimean Tartar culture).

          The recently exchanged “dissidents” also showed their true colours by supporting the annexation of currently occupied territories in Ukraine.

          We are not discussing US right now! The US did not annex Basra state, steal all the local children, force everyone to speak English and send anyone caught talking Arabic to a torture chamber; all with support of somewhere between 65% to 85% of their population.

          The overwhelming majority of Russians are genocidal imperialists. They support invasions of foreign countries, annexations, attempts at elimatining local language and culture and setting up mass torture camps for anyone opposed to the yoke of russian degeneracy.

          The “trying to get by” pitch is a ruse. Both qualitative and quantitative research (different methodologies, including ones that attempt to account for preference falsification) show this is not true and that on an outcome basis, the overwhelming majority of russians are indeed genocidal imperialists.

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            The US did not annex Basra state

            Of course not. But the US is actively funding a genocide in palestine and many similar atrocities around the globe. This empire has a long history of colonialism, imperialism, genocide, slavery, racism, war, etc. The overwhelming majority of USAians are also genocidal imperialists. Just listen to NPR. Just look at the presidential candidates.

            I’m not saying the alt-empire is any better. I’m saying that empire is the same everywhere. All of these politicians are extremely privileged hanging out together at the UN, dinner parties, etc. regardless of what brand of state they serve. It’s all the same system and same people. Every state and all empire is trash.

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              So when did senior US politicians call for extermination of Gazan identity, banning arabic in Gaza and annexing Gaza as a new state?

              You do understand that the term “genocidal imperialist” has actual meaning, right?

              The overwhelming majority of russian are genocidal imperialist because they support russia full scale invasion and they have always supported the annexation of Crimea.

              We can have a conversation about the bad and good things done by the US, but I don’t see what this has to do with the topic at hand?

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            Navalniy and his team openly supported the annexation of Crimea (and destruction of Ukrainian and Crimean Tartar culture).

            Not really: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/20/opinion/how-to-punish-putin.html ; this is just days after the annexation. I’m no fan of Navalny for various reasons (his nationalist views, xenophobic comments and narratives, etc), but he was very much against all Putin’s shenanigans in Ukraine, and vehemently anti-war.

            The recently exchanged “dissidents” also showed their true colours by supporting the annexation of currently occupied territories in Ukraine.

            What are you on about? Name one of them who supported the war. Most of them were jailed due to their anti-war positions.

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              The NYT article is aimed at western audiences, of course they are going to present a more humanistic pitch.

              English language content from the russian “opposition” is often misleading.

              In russian, Navalniy initially clearly stated that “Ukrainians, you should forget about Crimea” and that “Crimea is not a ham sandwich, you can’t just give it back!”

              He later did a PR pass on his position with a call for an “independent referendum”; a typical russian imperialist mindset. The Ukrainian constitution only allows for national referendums on such matters.

              Navalniy own head goon even confirmed that they supported the annexation of Crimea because the vast majority of russian are imperialists:

              https://time.com/6162889/navalny-ukraine-russia-leonid-volkov/

              He was most definitely not anti-war. The russian invasion of Ukraine began with the annexation of Crimea; which was supported by Navaliy and his team.

              One of Yashin’s responsibilities as a deputy in 2018 was conscription. Russia has been at war with Ukraine since 2014.

              Now I understand for Yashin the “real” war started in 2022 and he was just “looking to promote democracy by taking part in municipal politics”.

              But that’s irrelevant if you are from Donbas and your family was forced to leave in 2014. Or if you language and religion are being prosecuted In Crimea.

              Kara-Murza went a tired rant about how we sanctions need to be weakened

              Pivaovarov stated opposition minded Russians shouldn’t donate to the AFU. Imagine dissidents of the Nazi regime (who took part in a prisoner exchange) stated that opposition minded Germans shouldn’t be supporting the war effort against Nazi Germany.

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            Fuck off with your xenophobia-biased opinions.

            If you actually spent any amount of time communicating with people in Russia, you’d realise the overwhelming majority are not genocidal imperialists.

            The overwhelming majority of Russians I’ve spoken to do not support the ongoing war, and would prefer if Ukraine was left alone.

            I’d be interested in seeing where you’re pulling these extrapolated statistics from, including the demographics of the people who were surveyed.

            If 7/10 Texans oppose abortion, does that mean 70% of the country believe the same thing?

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              You do understand that anecdotal findings don’t mean anything, right? I’ve lived in russia for a decade; the three russians I still speak to are anti-war. That’s not how any of this works!

              I’ve posted links and reference to various research works previously in this thread. You can start by looking at polling from Levada (lots of age group information), Russian Field and a paper by LSE that uses list experiments (URL in one of my comments in this thread).

              Even qualitative research by russian academics is damning for russian society. They find that even among those who don’t actively support the invasion, a majority still want to see their army win (i.e. annexation Ukrainian territories, steal children, bomb children’s cancer hospitals). This was a recent project done in a small town (15K) in Siberian russia, released just last month.

              A strong majority of russian are most definitely genocidal imperialists (including the 19-29 age group, although it may be more of a regular majority than a “strong majority”). You’re really ignorant (of practically all quantitative and qualitative researh as well as of history) and/or you are naive and not willing to ask yourself difficult questions.

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                Do you have a link to the qualitative research in the Siberian town? Would like to read it specifically

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                I’m willing to accept your claim, I’m just yet to see enough evidence to prove it.

                Put yourself in their shoes for a moment.
                People who criticise Putin over there don’t seem to last very long.
                Maybe the average Russian citizen won’t have to worry about that, but there’s still the implication that having different political beliefs is something that should be shunned.

                Checking the Levada polling methods, it doesn’t sound like those who are polled are always able to answer anonymously.

                Judging by that page, they seem to prioritise door-knocking and in-person interviews.
                Are you going to tell the person interviewing you, without knowing if they work for your corrupt government or not, that you disagree with your government?

                I’m not a statician, but I think this is called social desirability bias. And when there’s a potential risk to your safety, or even the slightest suspicion that your answers could negatively impact you, that bias increases.

                Yes, I’ll admit anecdotal findings are essentially useless when discussing a population, but those statistics aren’t much better.

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                  Considering the points that you raised, what are your critiques of list experiment methodology (e.g. the one by LSE that I referenced earlier) and their findings that preference falsification is just 10%. I will note that you are the one who brought up personal safety.

                  If the vast majority of your country are genocidal imperialists, it really doesn’t matter that a tiny micro-minority are hiding their preferences does it? At the very least you can admit that this logic is consistent, no?

                  Since you brought up Levada, they show that something like 84% of the Russian population supported the annexation of Crimea (i.e. at the very least they are committed imperialists). This data point has been consistent since 2014.

                  In context of your critique of Levada, how is that list experiment research had a comparable level of support at 80% for the annexation of Crimea?

                  The truth of the matter is that your have no evidence (quantitative or qualitative) or even a working theory to justify your view that the vast majority of russian are just poor souls who got stuck with putin.

                  This is nothing new for me btw. On the English language internet, you constantly see comically dumb takes about russians being little angels and putin being solely responsible for all evils committed by the russians.

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          What about so called russian “dissidents”? Navalniy and his team openly supported the annexation of Crimea (and destruction of Ukrainian and Crimean Tartar culture).

          The recently exchanged “dissidents” also showed their true colour by trying to support the annexation of currently occupied territories in Ukraine.

          We are not discussing US right now! The US did not annex Basra state, steal all the local children, force everyone to speak English and send anyone caught talking Arabic to a torture chamber; all with support of somewhere between 65% to 85% of their population.

          The overwhelming majority of Russians are genocidal imperialists. They support invasion of foreign countries, annexation, attempts at elimatining local language and culture and setting up mass torture camps for anyone opposed the yoke of russian degeneracy.

          The “trying to get by” pitch is a ruse. Both qualitative and quantitative research (different methodologies, including ones that attempt to account for preference falsification) show this is not true and that on an outcome basis, the overwhelming majority of russians are indeed genocidal imperialists.

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        I don’t think a grassroots revolution will be taking place anytime soon, but this is aimed at the young people of Russia who are against the war. The old people there love Putin but I suspect they also aren’t watching YouTube.

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          The majority of the young people in Russia are genocidal imperialists. Support for extermination of other countries is of course higher in the older generations, but that doesn’t change the fact a solid majority of young (e.g. 18 to 29) are genocidal imperialists.

          I understand that it might be reassuring to repeat platitudes like “young people of russia are against the war”, but this is clearly not true.

          Even the framing is suspect. What do you mean by “the war”; the full-scale invasion? In Ukraine, the war started in 2014 with annexation of Crimea and russian invasion of Donbas.

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            May I know where you found the info that a solid majority of young Russians (well, I think you only talk about those that did not already leave) supports the war?

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              A tiny % left and even among them there are many genocidal nationalists and fake opposition types.

              Look up any research on the topic Russian Field, Levada, LSE List Experiment on support from the war among Russians.

              I believe the general trend was that every age category had a majority and that at one point the 30-40 age group had slightly lower support for russian annexation and destruction of Ukrainian identity than the 18 -29 age group.

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                I don’t know those sources, but I fear those aren’t really representative

                Maybe someone wants to dig, I have no time for that right now…

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                  I hear that all the time, “but what about the challenges of polling under an autocracy?”, as if they were the first one to think about it.

                  But if you show alternative methodologies that account for preference falsification and the estimates for preference falsification turn out to be low, you never hear back from people.

                  But this approach is understandable, people in the west have a very primitive understanding of russian culture and russian constantly code switch when pushing polemics for western audiences and when speaking in russian.

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                  I look into those regularly. Those are credible sources that are often used by our scientists, but you have to be very careful with statistics during war periods.

                  What do you think the majority of people hear when asked, “Do you support actions of Russian military in Ukraine?”. They hear, “Are you a traitor?” and answer accordingly. The majority (4 out of 5, I believe, if not more) refuse to answer at all. So, it’s not exactly representative.

                  What we look at instead is questions that are not this direct. Such as “Do you think Russia should continue or start peace talks?”. The majority (58%) is for peace talks. This number has increased since September 2022 by 10%, whilst the number of pro-war people decreased from 44% to 34%. Their quality also changed. For “absolutely should start peace talks” went from 21% (out of all votes) up to 26%, whilst for “absolutely should continue military actions” went from 29% down to 21%.

                  The longer things continue, the less support Russia’s government has. That’s what can be said for certain. The other conclusion we can derive is that war isn’t popular.

                  Edit: Oh, and the youth, 67% of the youth (18-24) is for peace talks, 23% pro-war. 65% for ages 25-39, only 25% pro-war.

                  The vast majority of pro-war people are elderly. Can you guess who also watches the TV the most? And who the TV is controlled by?

                  For the full picture, I’ll also add “they started it, so it’s their responsibility, we had no choice in it” This phrase explains the whole mentality of Russians very well.

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        Not a Russian political expert, but the fact Putin keeps calling it “denazification” and a “special military operation” leads me to believe there’s a lot of people who don’t support a full blown war.

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          Why do you say this?

          If 75% of russians support the “denazification” of Ukraine, that says a lot about them, no?

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              So you’re saying russians genuinely believe that since 2014 they’ve been “fighting Nazism in Ukraine” and this is not a genocidal imperialist war?

              As I mentioned in my OP, you do know that every russian had uncensored youtube within a single click on their smartphone until the last month or so? Btw, the YT app is available in russian and there is a lot of russian language content.

              This makes no sense!

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      Not unless you’re making videos from abroad.

      YouTube doesn’t serve ads when viewed from Russia anymore, so there is no revenue from this audience. And you can’t take money out from within Russia due to sanctions.

      Russian YouTubers are pretty much screwed and have to re-locate. The only other option is earning from product placements.