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Non-Latinx/Latine people DNI

What is your personal preference?

As someone outside of the community, I personally find “Latine” to make more sense. It fits with the vocalization of “Latino” or “Latina”, and the -e suffix is an established neutral term

Personally, I find “Latinx” to feel very artificially added. Its pronunciation as “lah-tin-ex” or “lah-tinks” seems very anglicized imo, and doesn’t feel like it really fits within the Spanish language

But I thought I’d seek the opinion of people within the community

So please, share your thoughts down below 💜

  • elfpie@beehaw.org
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    4 months ago

    From Brazil here. I always thought latinx was for the community inside the US. Latine follows what was decided here as neutral with the -e suffix. Honestly, initially I wouldn’t imagine that x was pronounced and was used only in text.

  • Griseowulfin@beehaw.org
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    4 months ago

    I use hispanic and can’t say i have much care for the whole latinx/e debate, but if latino or latina just doesn’t float your boat, I think latine at least sounds better and looks better.

    • Chozo@fedia.io
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      4 months ago

      Just FYI, “Hispanic” isn’t synonymous with “Latino”. One’s region-specific, and the other is language-specific. “Hispanic” refers to coming from a Spanish-speaking country, whereas “Latino” refers to somebody from Latin America. For instance, Spaniards are considered Hispanic, but not Latino; and Brazilians would be Latino, but not Hispanic.

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          4 months ago

          Assuming that Griseowulfin is Hispanic, then yes, I explained to a Hispanic person how to use an English word. Not really a “gotcha”.

  • SimplyTadpole@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 months ago

    I’m Latin American, I’ve seen some people use Latinx here, but I personally prefer Latine because it rolls off the tongue much easier. Ideally though, I’d personally rather be called Latin American to avoid the pronoun altogether. Again, though, that’s a personal preference of mine - in languages with gendered pronouns, I personally prefer avoiding using pronouns toward myself altogether as much as possible.

    At least in my experience, it’s not really uniformly decided and also became a Culture War thing in here as well.

  • CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work
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    4 months ago

    Latinx doesn’t work and it’s embarrassing to force it. Latine at least kind of sounds right, but what are we doing here? If you’re speaking English and don’t want to say Latino or Latina, you can just say Latin American. In Spanish if an individual says they want to be referred to as latine then you should respect that. Otherwise, latinos is fine for a mixed gender group.

    • BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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      4 months ago

      The issue, at least as far as I understand it, is that “Latino” as a general term irks people.

      It’s like referring to humans as “men’ instead of “people”. It contributes to a sense of patriarchal dominance.

      Personally, when I refer to humans as a group, I say “people”, not “man” or “men”.

      With a lot of ethnicities, the terms are neutral. Caucasians are Caucasians. Asians are Asians, African Americans are African Americans, etc.

      But “Latino” is a gendered term by its very nature. This is why a lot of people have started using “Latinx” or “Latine”.

        • theilleist@lemmy.ml
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          4 months ago

          I’ve heard (debated) etymology that “man” is gender neutral because in older English, “male” would have been “wereman” and “female” would have been “wifman,” so the “man” morpheme just designated “human” and the prefix designated the gender.

          Which does imply that "were"wolves are exclusively male, and a female wolf person really should be called a wifwolf.

      • Mesa@programming.dev
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        4 months ago

        The issue is that you’ve made an assumption about an entire culture based on your own external experiences, and when confronted with opinions beyond your limited view, you ignore them because they don’t immediately make sense to you.

        Sounds familiar.

  • Marmanvii@lemmy.one
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    4 months ago

    I’m Latin American, no one is going to take you seriously if you say Latinx, you are even going to be made fun of, Latine is rarely used at all. No one is going to get offended if you just say Latino.

  • pe1uca@lemmy.pe1uca.dev
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    4 months ago

    Neither, use “Latino”, that’s the gender neutral form.
    Or if you don’t want to use it and don’t want to follow Spanish rules then follow English rules and use “Latin”.

  • Mothra@mander.xyz
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    4 months ago

    OP you’ve made the mistake of presuming the world at large knows what DNI stands for.

    I’m also in the “stop butchering my language” camp, however I see you don’t mean using Latine or Latinx as a replacement for Latino and Latina in general. You are asking whether non-binary people prefer Latinx or Latine in their personal ID documents. Which is one of the few cases I think using the term is justified.

    But since I’m not part of your demographic in question I don’t know if my answer is valid. I guess Latine is at least easier to pronounce than Latinx so there ya go.

    • BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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      4 months ago

      Yeah, it’s become very evident that “DNI” is not as universal of a terms as I thought it was.

      On your second point, I’m not referring specifically to nonbinary folk, but rather to the language referring to the ethnicity as a whole.

      With (most) other ethnicities/nationalities, the English terminology is neutral (French, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Greek, African, etc.), but the classical term for “Latino” is male-gendered.

      This is why people have started to use the term “Latinx”, and occasionally “Latine”.

      Personally, I think “Latinx” is a bastardization of the language, while “Latine” works within the linguistic framework, but I’m asking for opinions from the people within this group to see their preference

      • Mothra@mander.xyz
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        4 months ago

        Well then I’m not sure I see your point- I think people should have their pronouns/gender acknowledged in their ID. Suggesting a gender neutral for everyone in a language that clearly has been gendered since its inception doesn’t make any sense to me. Let each person have whatever option best reflects their case scenario

  • Randomgal@lemmy.ca
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    4 months ago

    If you don’t want everyone to respond, don’t make a public post. You don’t get to pick who interacts with your public post.

    Also Latino, Latin American, or Hispanic are the words used by Spanish speakers.

  • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    Well, you’ve now caught on to the fact that any C/ that shows up in any given feed is open territory, and only mods/admins can decide if a “don’t interact” request has to be honored.

    And, you seem to have discovered that the subject isn’t as limited as the question you asked, because the question was flawed to begin with. You didn’t include the actual, current, formal word in your list. You’re assuming that it’s a done deal. It isn’t, and if you knew any Latino people well enough for this to matter, you’d know it isn’t and wouldn’t be asking.

    You also seem to have found out that your opinion about it being presented after asking anyone that isn’t latino to butt out is tone deaf as hell. Oh, nobody had mentioned that yet?

    Here’s a hard truth. In Spanish, there is a distinction between hombres latino and Latinos (and gods, I hope I got the grammar right on that, if not y’all Spanish speakers that didn’t fail multiple classes please make fun of it while you correct me). For the most part, there is an already present way in formal Spanish to deal with gender neutrality. White folk just don’t like it because they never bother to ask a native speaker how the language works.

    Now, obviously, personal preferences are going to form now that these new versions have come up. But I gotta warn you that if you try and pull the latinx/e shit without knowing the person’s take on it ahead of time, you’re going to look like an idiot.

    Seriously, pack it in homie. You tried, you even likely tried for the right reasons. But you don’t get it.

  • pezhore@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    As someone who used Latinx in a Lemmy post and then was down voted to oblivion, just go Latino or Latina. But good on you for asking people how they’d like to be called.

    • necrobius@lemm.ee
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      4 months ago

      I had the exact same experience. Didn’t even know it was so disliked at the time

  • Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    So I’m white but my wife is Latina and considering Latinx was tacked onto the language by a bunch of random white kids I’d say it’s pretty well disliked given where we live. Never heard Latine but I’d imagine that also isn’t going over very well.

  • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    E isn’t a confirmed gender neutral suffix - it’s a male/undescribed suffix. Latinx is the preferred group noun for people who don’t like Latino/Latinos (which are the old technically correct terms for gender unconfirmed or mixed groups).

      • Chozo@fedia.io
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        4 months ago

        It stands for “Do Not Interact”. Usually used on social profiles to say something like “Minors DNI” or “Adults DNI”, for people who are uncomfortable with having minors or adults following them on social media.

        Generally, it’s done to protect users on a platform, not to filter out opinions, so OP’s usage is a little weird.

          • friend_of_satan@lemmy.world
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            4 months ago

            Why on earth is this comment being downvoted? OP is admitting to changing their mind when presented with new information, and they are being ridiculed for it? That behavior is precisely what we want people to do: update their viewpoints when they learn new facts and opinions.

            • otp@sh.itjust.works
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              Because their mind seems to have been “changed” to “there are more idiots out there than I thought”.

              In another comment from OP…

              It’s not my job to educate idiots

              I just block them :3

              • BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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                4 months ago

                It’s literally as simple as me having thought DNI was a more widely known term.

                Also, the person I responded to in that quote was an idiot. Doesn’t mean everyone else here is.

          • black0ut@pawb.social
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            4 months ago

            It’s funny because in spanish it means Documento Nacional de Identidad (National ID). Given the context, I immediately thought of that instead of Do Not Interact

    • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee
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      4 months ago

      I didn’t know what that even meant.

      Funy, you want to dictate who can respond? Pretty racist if you ask me.