This interview is nuts.
Maybe I’m crazy here but if I saw a dude with a rifle on a roof at a political rally I would 100% assume it was secret service. I don’t see much here that convinces me otherwise
Yeah, I think that that’s been normal for a long time. There are even pictures of the law enforcement on a rooftop at this rally with scoped rifles.
EDIT: One of the top posts on Reddit says that this is the shooter after having been shot. Assuming that is correct, gives an idea as to what he was wearing.
And if you saw him getting into position mid speech that wouldn’t strike you as odd? The shooter was seen low crawling into position. Secret Service shooters would be in place from the start not moving mid speech.
They’re Trump supporters, their brain power is not what brought them to the rally.
That kind of uncertainty about if the shooter was part of the security detail or not may have been the source of hesitation that let him get shots off before immediately getting shot himself. The speed of the return fire makes it seem like someone was already pointing a gun at him and awaiting confirmation he wasn’t supposed to be there.
That’s an interesting point. I’m sure they know where the others are but I’m sure there’s always a doubt
Considering how many different law enforcement agencies are in the US, who don’t have comms with one another, yeah
If they were in legit gear or a suit, I wouldn’t think it was odd. Any other guy with a rifle would be a red fucking flag because plainclothes USSS have concealed guns and don’t play on roofs.
I kind of doubt someone could have told what outfit the gunmen was wearing in that scenario.
Isn’t the point to blend in and not bring attention to yourself thouth?
No. USSS Snipers are all over the place. Some visible most are not. In one of the videos you can clearly see a USSS sniper above stage right. That’s the guy who took out the shooter.
They missed :(
Not technically.
You do understand that Trump being assassinated would end far worse than him getting elected, right? Trump turned his head and America dodged a bullet.
No way, a Trump presidency will be way worse.
Depends on who his successor would be. Whoever that would be would have the momentum of a martyr behind them.
As many folks pointed out, there’s no shortage of people with Trump like policies but are even more dangerous by being more competent.
No, the only death that might have avoided the would have been zero assassination attempts and some death that couldn’t have possibly been an assassination even in the wildest of conspiracy theories.
That shooter may have secured a MAGA victory the instant he pulled the trigger, whether he would have liked Trump or not.
Maybe, but the problem for Republicans is their platform simply isn’t popular, it’s why they have to go to these extremes.
His base of ~25% of the electorate is maybe more motivated to turn up at the polls now and is more likely to be violent (especially if Trump loses), but no one is going to say “Oh, I was against fascism, but now that the fascist died I’m pro-fascism.” anyone who thinks that way was already supporting Donald Trump anyway. The GOP is maxed on support, which is why they are constantly trying to purge voter registration rolls anywhere they can.
Especially now.
Thankfully there’s still hope that Trump will die in prison.
This plus the immediate Musk endorsement plus coordinated ‘Mark Violet is antifa’ posts . It smells bad
“Why is there not Secret Service on all of these roofs here?” he asked. “This is not a big place.”
Yeah, I’m gonna probably stay undecided on this one. On the one hand, “the libs shot first” is going to sit very well with his cult’s persecution complex, and it’ll be a good tool for whenever he needs an angry mob. On the other hand, it wouldn’t be very surprising that someone really would take a shot at him.
The shooter was identified as 20-year old Thomas Matthew Crooks, as reported by the BBC, and was a registered Republican.
Registering R in PA which has closed primaries just means he lived in a red district and wanted to vote in the only primary that matters. He donated to progressive groups.
By that same Trojan Horse logic, donating to Biden’s political opponents doesn’t make the situation any clearer.
It’s quite common in safe districts to register with the predominant party and donate elsewhere.
You missed the point. At least from my reading you did.
If he was a typical Democrat voting in the closed primary to make more of an impact that makes some sense.
But his donations, based on the previous comments statement, made for a political opponent of Biden.
Meaning it doesn’t really work to just say he was typical R or typical D.
Nobody is a typical R or D at that point. There isn’t a PAC out there that is just straight DNC or GOP. That’s not a realistic standard.
GroupS? The BBC reported that he donated a few bucks to a Liberal party or something, but that’s all I’ve heard
I don’t think a fake assassination attempt makes much sense at all. He’s not losing to the point that he needs to take a big risk. It’s not close enough to the election for one big stunt to have a good chance of influencing the outcome. And it didn’t even happen at a time and place that would maximize the visibility.
The only thing I can think of that could explain this would be the recent trending of project 2025. But even then, if you need a distraction, the convention is next week, there’s plenty of opportunity to shift the narrative there. And hell, if you want to stage an assassination attempt for your own benefit, that’s the venue to do it at.
On the other hand, faking it requires conspirators who can make it happen, all of whom have to be able to keep it quiet. There will be an investigation that he can’t control. The smaller the conspiracy, the harder it is to pull off, but the larger the conspiracy, the harder it is to cover up. And unlike all his existing criminal cases, there would be no connection to his time as president in any way, so the immunity he just got handed by the supreme court wouldn’t apply. And obviously the shooter has to not accidentally kill Trump while he is shooting at him and killing an innocent bystander. Plus, you have to have a shooter willing to die for the cause, or a patsy who can plausibly take his place, which raises so many more questions and carries a whole new set of risks.
By comparison, someone looking at Trump and saying to himself “Well, if no one else is going to do this, I guess I will” is just a lot more plausible.
Jealous of Bolsonaro’s assassination attempt, surely
I would agree with you if it wasn’t for the fact that his ear looks completely intact. Bloody, yes, but no chunk missing. If it was an actual bullet moving at subsonic speed even a graze would leave more than a little blood. Another thing to consider is that there would be WAY more blood than what was shown. Your extremities bleed more than any other part of your body because that’s where all of the blood vessels gather. I know this from the personal experience of splitting my head open on a metal pipe. It took no time for blood to cover one half of my face. If he was actually shot in the ear blood would be gushing. As it stands it looks like someone smeared lipstick on his ear.
Is it possible he just hit his ear on something when he was ducking for cover?
To be clear, I haven’t looked to see if there are videos, or anything, so I’m asking from a place of ignorance, not because I think that’s what happened.
It is more possible than a bullet wound. I’m hearing it was teleprompter glass, which makes sense.
Another thread here linked to news reports stating it’s the teleprompter glass that cut him.
Which i would have an easier time believing than a bullet. If he got a small cut on his ear it would bleed that much, but that is in no way a bullet wound. It doesn’t really matter at the end of the day though because facts don’t matter to fascist MAGA idiots. If it doesn’t back up what they already believe it’s fake news.
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This guy has no idea what the fuck he’s talking about. Any armed security worth their salt would have snipers on roofs at large gatherings. I see them at sporting events, why not at a rally?
The man with a rifle he saw was almost certainly working with Trump’s security detail, and if not, he would have been spotted not long after this guy saw him, and taken out before he could have taken a shot.
Any armed security worth their salt would have snipers on roofs at large gatherings.
They did have them here; there are photos of them. The assassin was also apparently on another roof; I linked to what is a purported picture of his body on the roof off Reddit in my comment above.
There’s video footage of the shooter dead on a roof.
I admit I was wrong.
And I think the secret service detail assigned to Trump might be terrible at their job.
It may simply be that former presidents don’t get the same security resources as an actual president.
Plus it’s been reported that he treats his security staff like trash, so it might be difficult to find people willing to put themselves in harms way for him.
I think you’re probably right on both counts. I know I certainly wouldn’t put my life on the line for a convicted felon, alleged rapist, known adulterer, racist, liar, and threat to democracy if he was also being a dick to me personally
Where?
I saw it in the mega thread but there is a still picture of his body in one of the comments in this post.
Guess it was too much to expect a book depository to be near a GOP rally.
Video of him on the roof just before everything went down (video blurs out the shooter during/after death):
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1812339055603978440
You can hear people yelling, “He’s got a gun!” seconds before the shooting happens.
Another angle of people yelling “He’s got a gun” (shaky cameraman, good for audio only): https://x.com/BNONews/status/1812327502028669328
Another witness that was also trying to point out the shooter to the authorities: https://x.com/BNONews/status/1812311392675914015
Pretty embarrassing for the secret service. This plus all their other fuckups and shenanigans these past 12 years should lead to some serious reforms.
I’m sorry that guy was at a shooting but a visor with Trump 202
04 might be the most loser-coded thing I’ve ever seen. If you hold that visor up to your ear like a seashell, you can hear someone complaining about a family court judge ruling against him after he represented himself.Allow me to blow your mind. That’s not his real hair, it’s a hat that looks like a visor + Trump’s rug. Watch the video and it becomes clear.
I was wondering why they were so worried about his hat. Seemed weird.
In case anyone was wondering where that kid in your class who huffed glue is doing these days.
How did it get worse?
Howwww?
David Cameron cant find where the bar is given this new low.
With a beer in hand 👌
Well where else are you supposed to keep it?
If true, a lot of heads are going to roll. That’s a shocking lapse in security.
Dude is notorious for not paying people. Are we really that shocked security was a little loose?
By security I meant Secret Service. I believe ex-presidents get a secret service detail.
True, but security around the venue is paid by the RNC and his campaign. They have been known to stiff the bill.
Thing is he doesn’t have to pay anything for security, secret service is paid by the government.
He does pay for the security around the venue. At least the RNC does and by extension, him.
