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Reverse engineer it.
Make an open source version that does the same.
Ai now makes it possible, since ai generated content is not copyright able
There’s countless desktop music players out there, so there’s no real need to reverse engineer it
And it’s not a particularly interesting application anyway. I’d only want to hack on it for nostalgia, and if there are any barriers to doing that, I’ll just use a different app.
Is it important? It was a cool program 30 years ago but it’s just a playback UI right?
It looks like their May 16th tweet stated source code would be made available to developers, and they are clearing up some ambiguity in this new one.
It’s not the old program anymore, and it already leaked a long time ago. It was obvious that the new one wouldn’t be open.
I have the old one (5.x) installed and use it regularly. Is it still available for download anywhere? Would love for that one to be officially open sourced.
It’s at best abandonware, but the source will never be released officially as it now belongs to a random megacorp.
There’s WACUP: https://getwacup.com/
Oh, now that is interesting. Thank you for that piece of information!
The new one is just a web UI with options for streaming music. There were talks of the old original Winamp going open source though, which bought nostalgic memories to many. Eithercase, with so many music players on both Windows and Linux, I doubt Winamp would a niche case to fill.
But do any of them Whip the Llama’s Ass?
I wonder how well XMMS would work on mordern Linux
It works quite fine, use it daily. Well, XMMS2 to be pedantic.
Just some shellscripts bound to windows-keys to pause/play and load new files.
And now I’m curious how Winamp actually makes money.
**Edit
Just went to the website, it’s a subscription Spotify knock off now. Still doesn’t explain who are the people that actually pay for this.
The same ones who still pay for AOL
Why would they call the open version ‘openllama’? Isn’t llama that ai model?
“why would they call the AI llama? Isn’t that an animal?”
Because it has ‘llm’ in it? Makes way more sense than a music player formerly known as Winamp
they always had a llama as a mascot and as part of their slogan
Not always, since the Llama MP3 that came preloaded was introduced somewhere in 1.xx, yet that’s still long enough (from 1998 to 2011 or so).
“Winamp, it really whips the llama’s ass”
The OG llama. Before The Emperor’s New Groove, before Tina in Napoleon Dynamite and before llm’s.
Not before llamas though. They be the most og.
Not before SimCity’s llamas tho.
Or Jeff Minter.
That’s just a lie by the secret llama world government to distract us from whipping their asses.
I mean… What contribution would this code actually be to the audio player world at this point?
I still miss the visualzers.
No need to, check out ProjectM
Love projectm!
Does anything else in the audio player world really whip llama asses?
I don’t think that you could reproduce the llama ass whipping feature even with all the code available.
Winamp oh winamp…
You still trying to exist even after so much other music player out there like AIMP, QMMP, CLEMENTINE, ELISA, etc…
Maybe back in my childhood days you’re king…but nowadays nah…You know you only need one period to end a sentence, right?
Nope…
This does not whip the llama’s ass.
It might wipe it though.
No, it teased that llama’s ass.
WinAmp making their source code ‘source available’ instead of open source, and then dropping this phrase:
The release of the Winamp player’s source code will enable developers from all over the world to actively participate in its evolution and improvement.
Yeah I don’t think so
Oooooh they were just looking for free labor! Pass
Yup, as much as I like Grayjay, I’m not going to help development much because it’s “source available” instead of open source. There was an annoying bug I wanted fixed, and I was willing to go set up my dev environment and track it down, but they don’t seem interested in contributions, so I won’t make the effort.
Likewise for WinAmp. The main benefit to it being “source available” is that I can recompile it and researchers can look for bugs. That’s it. They’re not going to get developers interested.
Even if they accept patches, contributing still sounds like a bad deal. It’s free labor for some company. FOSS at minimum means the right to fork, precisely what “source available” seeks to deny.
Leaving aside the question of winamp vs comparable programs, does anyone even care about desktop music players any more? I’m a throwback and use command line players, but I thought the cool kids these days use phones for stuff like that.
I understand there is some technical obstacle to porting Rockbox to Android, but idk what it is and haven’t tried to look into it.
I look at ‘source available’ software as the right to review the code yourself to ensure there’s no malicious behavior, not for community development.
You mean if you build it yourself? I guess that is something, but it is still conceivable to sneak stuff in. Look at that xzlib backdoor from a few weeks ago.
Yep. I will happily contribute to something with community ownership that I believe in. I will not, under any circumstances, provide free labor to a private entity.
It’s simple. They want the free labor provided by the community with the ability to keep all of the profits they can potentially reap from said labor.
What are some projects which have “source available”? Can someone get the source and upload or will it violate some NDA? And what kind of licence is associated with this?
Unreal Engine is a major example, you get access to a private repo containing the engine’s source code but you’re bound by an agreement regarding what you can do with it IIRC. Of course anyone is allowed to apply for access though
For example terraform changed their license to a non open-source license, and everyone hated it. Then a fork was created, which used the code before the license change which was still licensed under an open source license. The fork “OpenTOFU” is now ‘owned’ by the Linux Foundation
https://opentofu.org/blog/opentofu-announces-fork-of-terraform/
Same for redis, there is also a fork called Valkey now, which is also ‘owned’ by the Linux Foundation:
https://redis.io/blog/redis-adopts-dual-source-available-licensing/
I’m making my farts open source 😉
Guess I’ll stick with foobar!
Same… I’ve had Foobar set up the way I like for about a decade now.
Been wanting to flip to the x64 version, but USF components (N64 music) doesn’t play.
Why would you want to switch? Legitimate question. 32-bit version seems to be working just fine, I doubt a music player needs the extra juice a 64-bit version provides.
Same reason for switching every other app to 64-bit I suppose; logical evolution.
I absolutely don’t need to though. Especially for something light weight like a music player.
Milkdrop even works in foobar!
Alright, Winamp. You can go be forgotten forever now.
Fondly remembered forever. As it was around 2000…
YOINK
Ha ha ha, playing your cards close. Only three steps away from profit.
Just use WACUP
Maybe someone can explain to me why Winamp is still so popular?
I have used Winamp 2, 3 and 5 around 2000ish, and it was a fine player, but nothing really special. After Winamp I think I switched to MediaMonkey, which IMO was easier to manage my music collection. Then I used VirtualDJ, which supported cross fading between music with synchronized beats. I think I also used foobar2000 a bit.
Winamp was an okayish player, but there where much more powerful Software around at that time. It this just sentimentals or is there really something that people miss today that Winamp provided or still provides?
I can use it to update my ipod.
I don’t think it’s actually still popular, but I’m just talking out of my ass here. I remember it made some waves a few months ago about finally having a new release after so long, and my feeling was a shitload of nostalgia brought it back into the internet spotlight, regardless of how many people are actually using it.
I gave it a spin again, purely for nostalgia. I could find no compelling reason to use it over my actual preferred player, foobar
- Better interface than Windows Media player
- 100s of cool and edgy skins
- Nice looking graphic equalizer
- Nice music visualizer
- Easy to make playlists
- Tiny looking player which gelled with the early-mid 2000s vibe
And most importantly, it really whips the Llama’s ass. TBH, there aren’t a lot of serious reasons. It was just slightly better than the default music player. I personally feel the skins played a significant part.
I wasn’t that much a fan of the skins and found the interface of winamp very small and fiddly.
The milkdrop plugin however was rather nice though.
ProjectM is a thing :)
Yeah, but we are talking 2000-2005 or so.
It’s still popular because it was popular.
Also, it was simple and modular.
It was largely succeeded by monolithic and enshittified versions of iTunes, which have zero appeal these days. So it’s still remembered fondly for not enshittifying and not trying to build a walled garden.
