actually, technically it would be a trinary system, if we’re looking at it like a spectrum, and if we’re looking at it like a spectrum, i think it’s funnier to conceive of it like a circle. Or to get the point across, like those political alignment charts.
i think it’s funnier to conceive of it like a circle.
Unfortunately, conception is only possible when combining certain parts of that circle.
it can only make a full circle, when all parts are put together, therefore problem solved.
All they did was to add another bit. From 1 to 10
The two genders: Binary and Non-binary.
There are non-binary people who still believe genders can suit others, and even be played with as forms of role play …and there are also examples of null states, such as nullos and asexuals…
…so non-binary doesn’t necessarily make a new binary if they still believe gender is fine for others, or as a role play.
A better way to think about it might be as a gender spectrum or quadratic continuum of varied characteristics and overlapping body forms and sexual preferences/behaviour.
…queer.
Asexuality isn’t a gender. We’re just not attracted to people of any gender. Our gender identity is separate.
To be fair, it calls then categories, not genders
Genders in the Dutch language: common and neuter
Genders in the Russian language: “actually, we are families”
“We don’t need articles, but we have a fuck ton of grammatical genders”
Says the same country that also fears non-binary gender identities, that’s actually kinda ironic
The gender is there but I said it so fast you can’t tell the difference anyway so let’s just call it a short form
-russian
In Russia; you don’t gender yourself, Russian genders you.
Those are grammatical genders, which are a different thing.
Right
They really should be called genres or noun class as outside of Europe they really aren’t tied to gender and can have way more different cases than just two or three.
We’ve actually got 3 genders, but outside Flanders, people don’t seem to know the distinction anymore. The darn Dutch ruined Dutch!
I had no idea this was another thing Flanders did differently than the Netherlands (and pretty much every other “Netherlandophone” area)
It’s really handy when you’re learning German as their gender tends to be the same (het/een huis -> das Haus; de/nen hond -> der Hund; de/een kat(te) -> die Katze).
Stupid sexy Flanders
“You Dutch sure are a contentious people”
Reminds me of the: everything is either a duck or not a duck
You’d think so, and yet…
Platypussoe ruin SO many assumptions, such as
- mammals don’t lay eggs
- mammals aren’t venomous
- mammals don’t have beaks/bills
- beavers can’t interbreed with ducks
- a deity created the world and deities don’t get drunk
Clearly all of those assumptions are wrong!
Black and white thinking got me here, sure it’ll get me out, too
That’s what I mean by ruining assumptions: proving them to be wrong lol
that platypus look, hmm
I always think there is a we vs them vibe in the non-binary thing which is kind of toxic
I’m going to use “you” a lot in this post but know I’m using the global definition, I’m not directly addressing you.
Right, but you must realize that is your perception and not reality.
If you’ll allow me to take some liberties and use you as an example :
They are asking you to change your perception of them.
You are asking them to change/disregard their reality to conform to your existing perception.One can be done, one cannot. They’ll still be what they are and now their way of defining themselves is forbidden, by who? Why? This path seems completely irrational.
And what value does your perception hold anyway? The meaning of every word, sound, and thought in your head is arbitrary, it’s all made up. So obviously language needs to be calibrated with reality from time to time.
Language has changed to such an extreme degree that you wouldn’t understand your own language 300, 1,000, 5,000 years ago. Why not be upset about that? Seems kinda silly to start a movement to rollback english to 1724, eh?
That is how I feel about those who oppose groups of people seeking to better define themselves. “I don’t feel what they describe, they’ve organized millions of people who claim to feel the same way to fuck with me, I’m mad!”
TLDR, it’s logical for language to change and people to carve out niches. Humans aren’t born male and female only, so it seems silly to puritanically declare that because of an ancient understanding of humans, we should ignore modern biology.
From a post I made earlier this month, the intersex population in the United States alone would comprise 10% of the population of Nebraska. These are people born, quite literally, between gender. Non-binary.
I’m not sure what you are trying to say
They are asking you… You are asking them…
Where did this come from? Why am I grouped into some kind of hater group suddenly?
Language has changed … silly to start a movement to rollback english to 1724
Ya and I was commenting on how I don’t like the choose of word in this specific change. Why not use better words when you start to describe something new?
In addition, many were mutilated as newborns
This sounds like a horror story. What?
You can argue that about any label of any kind but we have to live in reality, which means people are going to sort themselves and others. “We know who we are by who we are not.“ I just don’t see that stopping.
We also have to acknowledge inequality. It’s like “black owned businesses.” Yeah in an equal society we would all just say “businesses” but we don’t live in one so we need to highlight a group of business owners that are inherently at a disadvantage.
That’s so sad to me. From my POV being non-binary isn’t aggressive. It’s just that there are more important things to worry about than gender.
I think it’s just the term. “Binary” isn’t exactly neutral as it can imply narrow minded. Also labelling non-X imply that everyone else is X which often includes too many people that are kind of in the middle / doesn’t really care.
Also have you ever considered the fact that maybe you (or other people) don’t really care about gender labels because you were assigned as the gender you prefer? It seems a bit silly to criticise a group who currently faces a lot of discrimination based on their gender preference. Also are you aware that your argument is often used to discredit the experiences of and as a reason to discriminate against people who identify as non-binary?
It seems a bit silly to criticise a group … based on their gender preference
Like, didn’t I just say that it’s the vibe of the word that I don’t like? Therefore either
- I am not criticizing any specific people at all because I’m just talking about how we use words; OR
- I am criticizing some people for their taste of words
and not what you say at all IMO
so what would you suggest people who do not want to be referred to as man or woman call themselves?
On the gender spectrum?
I don’t know, I think this debate is silly.
It’s easy to call a discussion silly if it doesn’t affect you personally.
I just mean this whole premise. The idea that being nonbinary is its own binary. It’s a categorically different comparison. The “binaries” OP sets up are a:b versus (a+b):c, when really it should be a+b+c+d etc.
The comment you were replying to wasn’t about the image in the op though. It was a discussion about someone not liking people who do not identify as man or woman referring to themselves as non-binary.
Blenders. Gender ephemeral. Intangibles. An even cooler fourth option, probably.
There are tons of cool names you could go with when your identity lies outside of preconceived boundaries (and pretty much transcends them). But, non-binary’s pretty clinical-sounding, so I guess it’s easier to work into a professional setting or something.
Enbies? Although the base of the term does come back around to the original phrase.
grogsnarl the fifth, conqueror of silesia
I always think there is a we vs them vibe in the non-binary thing which is kind of toxic
I dunno if there is much “we” inside the non-binary community. Like Non-binary is an umbrella term that encapsulates everything from a both/neither/almost but not quite binary/gender fluid betwixt multiple states/people who identify as trans non-binary, people who identify as non-trans non-binary/ cultural third genders/ political gender activists /DID people with alters that swap… There’s a lot of different concepts and sometimes contradictory needs there.
Like people tend to just group non-binary people into a third category and don’t really ask questions of individuals what their actual deal is. I blew a friend’s mind recently when he introduced his enbyfriend to me and while we were out on a walk I asked “Apart from the umbrella non-binary term how do you conceptualize yourself?” because he had never thought to ask that question of either of us.
There are also only two different animals: elephants and non-elephants.
You either are crabs or have crabs
Holy crab
There are elephants, non-elephants, and undetermined elephants.
This comment was made by the intuitionistic and/or fuzzy logic gang.
Anything unrelated to elephants is irrelephant.
This comment needs way more approval
I think you are mistaken actually the different types of animal are frogs and not frogs
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Doesn’t that happen just once, when tadpolemaxxing has been achieved ?
There are bullfrogs and elephant bulls, so we can conclude that {🐸}∩{🐘}⊂{🐂}
Frogness is a spectrum
That’s a very frogressive thing to say.
I think you actually want {🐸}∪{🐘}⊂{🐂} because ∪ is union and ∩ is intersection. There are no frogs that are also elephants so the set would be empty and thus couldn’t contain any bulls. 😔
Aktshually, the empty set is a subset of any other set 🤓
But also, the fact that frogs and elephants are disjunct is conjecture at this point
Hmm perhaps some kind of sliding scale is in order
Your both wrong there are crabs and then there are crabs 🦀🦀🦀🦀
Crabbbbb people craaaabbb peopleeee
Crabs and will eventually evolve into crab.
we are crab 🦀
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Crabs and not yet crabs.
Are these elephants in the room right now?
As a non-elephant in the room I feel overlooked
The elephants exist in a state of being in the room and not being in the room
You gotta address the elephant in the room for it to exist
Feel like there’s a Set Theory issue with this but I barely understand what little I can remember about it.
A bit can have two states:
trueorfalse. Additionally, the bit can be disabled altogether (null).Does the gender of all non-self-containing genders contain itself? This is the fundamental question of gender theory.
No, it’s only Russell’s question.
The entire universe - binary
Small fraction of humanity - weetards
Thanks for the confession :D
Technically the existance of non-binaries also makes the binaries no longer binaries (due to increased optionality), so it would be fair to say everyone is non-binary
Good point!
And when everyone is non-binary, no one is 😔
That’s not how that works. If there isn’t a binary (because there isn’t just 2 options) then this would be a non-binary system and so everyone would be non-binary.
Was looking for this comment. Thank you.
Non-binary is an umbrella term for many identities so saying “binary and non-binary” is not the same kind of binary as the gender binary it’s attempting to upend.
“Troll logic” is one of my favorite memes.
Exactly like being hit by lightning at any instant has a 50% risk because either it happens or it doesn’t.
What if you half die
If there already exists “a binary” then that says there are 2 states. “Non-binary” only means there are not-two-states. This could be unary (there is one kind of thing), trinary (there are now 3 things, the old 2 and new, secret 3rd thing), or really any n-ary set of n distinctly numbered things, so long as there aren’t only exactly 2 of them.
I want to upvote the OP for presenting an interesting discussion but downvote them for being wrong. This presents a case for a non-binary voting option.
A singular like button would still only express one portion of my sentiment. A third option could be many things, none are sufficient: a none or 0 or neutral option is effectively not voting, a sideways arrow or maybe state, or mixed state would express indecision or indeterminism rather than mixed feelings.
Therefore, I propose that a second positive-negative axis is required. The addition of these “sideways” arrows allow expressing 2 kinds of sentiment: towards the post content, and towards the poster themselves. I will not specify whether left or right is positive nor will i clarify which axis (x or y) corresponds to which kind of sentiment. I’m sure this undefined behavior will cause no problems.
Here is your composite vote in the new system: ↖️
The choice between a traditional up-down vote and a new non-up-down vote must have been a tough one.
“Non-binary” only means there are not-two-states.
The state of having two states and the state of not-having-two-states is itself a two-state solution.
Unfortunately, once you rule out non-binary as a third state, you collapse back into the original binary state. Thus, non-binary exists as a quantum superposition between states, as we fluctuate between whether or not being non-binary is politically correct.
But can a two-state solution really work?
Touché! Maybe we need a UN state shoved in beside the west bank to help keep an eye on things?
Going to the UN to propose my Quantum Superposition Solution to Violence in the Middle East.
I don’t think anyone will agree to dropping a massive Schrodinger box over the whole region
Yes and no.
But nobody is in the state of having two states, though. People range from being in one state to “it’s complicated”, but how would you be in exactly two states?
You wouldn’t, at least not while being observed.
So turn off the lights and anything can happen?
No, turn the light off and everything happens
I’m considering identifying as unary now. God only made one gender and “male and female” are mental illnesses caused by the original sin 😔
God cloned Adam to make Eve, thus we all are the same gender. Wake up sheeple!
One world, one gender, one love 💗
Only if you’re autistic.
Male, Female, and a Secret Third Thing
More like Man, Woman and 60 plus different other categories even good sports in the first two categories don’t tend to be bothered to learn about.
It’s not that it’s secret it’s that if you don’t ask for specifics we assume you don’t care, don’t know there are specifics or you really just don’t want to know.
Us Enbyfolk respecting that you probably don’t need to be burdened with actual specifics or interpreting that knowledge as being additional social pressure is us being polite.
Neuchacho
Ah, a comment to test mods’ susceptibility
Fuck Aristotel
I love when people say they hate Hippocrates on social media
You could’ve said that it’s Zena’s paradox
Fuck him yourself coward
If only I was a dog
